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Re:October 3, 2011 FISC Opinion Holding NSA Surveillance Unc... by mrt0mat0 on Wednesday August 21, 2013 @04:08PM (#6252991)
Redaction is the pebble in the shoe of anyone reading this. How frustrating to not just be able to read it. It allows the gov. to say, you're not seeing it in the full context. well, no shit, we can't see it in it's full context. frustrated!
Re:October 3, 2011 FISC Opinion Holding NSA Surveillance Unc... by rayiner on Wednesday August 21, 2013 @04:56PM (#6253270)
There really isn't all that much redacted, though it's annoying. The redaction is heavy in the first 15 pages because there are a lot of reference to specific people, docket numbers, etc. I bet a lot of the "Certification <redacted>" you see are things like "Certification of John P. Spymaster." The other thing that gets redacted is the capabilities/limitations of the equipment. But the meat of the legal analysis is there (read past page 15).
Re:October 3, 2011 FISC Opinion Holding NSA Surveillance Unc... by asperous on Wednesday August 21, 2013 @04:10PM (#6253004)
To be honest they redacted only some names, the names of the isps they are working with, some numbers, and the names of certifications. Certainly there's some really interesting stuff here left non-redacted.
Re:October 3, 2011 FISC Opinion Holding NSA Surveillance Unc... by sitkack on Wednesday August 21, 2013 @04:16PM (#6253044)
homework assignment, using the same typeface find valid strings (names of ISPs etc) that fit within the redacted blocks. Extra credit for using an NLP toolkit to ensure grammatical correctness, double extra credit for using the same grammar rules as the document.
Re:October 3, 2011 FISC Opinion Holding NSA Surveillance Unc... by asperous on Wednesday August 21, 2013 @05:13PM (#6253350)
It's not hard to guess honestly, especially with Quest getting those NSLs and the ceo getting fired, and ATT "secret rooms". They redacted them for legal reasons so companies can't sue ATT/Quest/etc. for "federally documented proof of violation of privacy contracts." Though that would be hilarious if it happened.
Re:October 3, 2011 FISC Opinion Holding NSA Surveillance Unc... by bobwaycott on Wednesday August 21, 2013 @08:40PM (#6254329)
Haven't these companies already received retroactive immunity by act of Congress?
Re:October 3, 2011 FISC Opinion Holding NSA Surveillance Unc... by asperous on Wednesday August 21, 2013 @08:47PM (#6254358)
That may be true; another reason that they might be redacted is the "national security concern" of people (aka terrorists) avoiding those ISPs.
Re:October 3, 2011 FISC Opinion Holding NSA Surveillance Unc... by mrt0mat0 on Wednesday August 21, 2013 @04:13PM (#6253025)
i agree, it's just frustrating to have to hop through them. and even though you're probably right, without actually seeing what is redacted, we will never know if that's all that they redacted.