Re:Mailpile – taking e-mail back
by tlrobinson on Tuesday August 20, 2013 @02:04PM
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The usual argument against JS crypto is that a compromised (either technically or legally) host could send a malicious version of the code to steal your keys/data.
A browser extension could in theory be used to verify the code against a signature or something to that effect, or it could sandbox the crypto routines and keys from the app itself (though that wouldn't prevent the app from stealing the decrypted data)
What needs to happen for this to become generally usable is for the crypto part to be built into the browser - that way you only need to trust your browser and not a somewhat random plugin, nor the .js being served from a particular server.
And it'll "just work", so ordinary people have a chance to use and trust it too.
Re:Mailpile – taking e-mail back
by tlrobinson on Tuesday August 20, 2013 @03:14PM
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Sure, eventually, however I'd be just as comfortable using a plugin from, say, the EFF as I would having it built into the browser. It would be a fine stepping-stone (similar to how Google Gears contained many features which influenced HTML5)
And as I mentioned, merely having the crypto parts and key management built into the browser isn't good enough because a malicious site could still trick you into decrypting data which it could then steal, even if the keys themselves are perfectly safe.
Re:Mailpile – taking e-mail back
by enterthemist on Tuesday August 20, 2013 @02:34PM
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As tlrobinson says, the problem is that we dont want you to have to trust us. One of our goals is to minimize the amount of trust you have to place in us. Therefore, we want you to be safe if we are forced to try and steal your keys. See my other comment for more info: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6245617
Re:Mailpile – taking e-mail back
by mikepurvis on Wednesday August 21, 2013 @11:51AM
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Gotcha, makes sense. Still, I wonder if there might be a clever solution which exploits the same-domain policy to isolate the decryption activity from the rest of the app. That would considerably reduce the attack surface if it handles collecting the key and then you just postMessage strings back and forth.
As you hint at in the other comment, there are various ways that third-parties could vouch for the code running on the decryption domain.
Seems a shame to depend on a browser extension—you lose most of the advantages of webmail when you can't log into it from anywhere.