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Re:The limits of Google’s openness by beagle3 on Thursday August 15, 2013 @07:57PM (#6221376)
No, it does not mean that. You have things confused.

IF you are at equal footing with everyone else, THEN you are "open". But the other way around does not follow.

e.g. Mozilla (or Digia, or SourceFire, or thousand others -- take your pick) can relicense their open source software as closed source, and put out binaries for future versions without releasing the source. Others using the same source code base cannot. That does not make that source code any less open.

Re:The limits of Google’s openness by Dylan16807 on Friday August 16, 2013 @02:35AM (#6222499)
1. 'open source' and 'open' are not the same thing. Look at android being open source but with closed development.

2. The property of being 'open source' applies to specific copies of software. All that 'closed' stuff you were talking about is applied to non-public copies so it has no relevance to the discussion of the open source copies.

Re:The limits of Google’s openness by beagle3 on Friday August 16, 2013 @04:18AM (#6222775)
> Look at android being open source but with closed development.

But it's still an "open" system by everyone's definition of the word - the source is open, the API is open, everyone is welcome to use it and make changes. It's just that Google is not obligated to accept them into the official tree. Who cares how the development process looks like? Android is open, and claiming otherwise is foolish. e.g. Amazon's Kindle Fire version of Android.

> The property of being 'open source' applies to specific copies of software. All that 'closed' stuff you were talking about is applied to non-public copies so it has no relevance to the discussion of the open source copies.

Do you actually have an idea of how the GPL works? Because what you wrote here indicates you do not. SourceFire (the company that makes Snort) used to provide the source under the GPL, but then continued to develop it and provide PUBLIC copies without source. No one, except themselves (as the right holder) could legally do that. That does not make the open GPL versions any less "open source" or "open" in general.

Re:The limits of Google’s openness by Dylan16807 on Friday August 16, 2013 @11:26AM (#6224548)
>That does not make the open GPL versions any less "open source" or "open" in general.

We agree then on that, I think, but it has nothing to do with the API openness so I'm not going to pursue it.