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Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by bowlofpetunias on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @07:49AM (#6210961)
Okay, so this is over the top and not very constructive.

However, there is an underlying pattern that annoys me too. There are literally thousands of people working in innovative transportation ideas, why is the barely researched idea of a relative amateur like Musk receiving so much attention?

The same applies to the Soylent story: people who have been working on the problem for decades are being ignored in favor of self-promoting entrepreneurs who's ideas lack depth.

The great irony is that the cheerleaders for these entrepreneurs are the same people that bitch about the lack of scientific knowledge in politicians and the lack of attention for science in general.

I can perfectly understand that this pisses people of who have been diligently working on these problems for decades.

Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by jhuckestein on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:43AM (#6211136)
It sounds to me that you have discovered an important and often underestimated property of disruptive ideas. How did an 18 year old change the way we communicate online forever? How could a clerk at the patent office usher in the era of 20th century physics?

It's possible and maybe even easier to have truly breakthrough ideas if you're coming from a different field. You can always catch up on all the knowledge required to execute your idea later.

And yes, often you'll find out that your idea wasn't so great. But at least you didn't dismiss it as out of hand because you didn't come across it in your years of experience in the field.

Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by hollerith on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @09:11AM (#6211231)
It's wrong to think that Einstein was "coming from a different field". He had a PhD in physics from a good school. In his day, physics jobs were much scarcer, so perfectly ordinary physicists tended to need to get non-physics jobs for parts of their careers.
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by danso on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @10:01AM (#6211513)
Perhaps a better example is how an aspiring poet came to invent the most effective infantry weapon of the last century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kalashnikov
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by lclarkmichalek on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @10:08AM (#6211553)
An aspiring poet who had also been a tank mechanic/weapons designer for 9~ years prior to inventing the most effective infantry weapon of the last century
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by danso on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @10:20AM (#6211631)
Yes, but he was conscripted in his teens and had begun innovating at that young age.
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by agilebyte on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @11:01AM (#6211897)
Not sure it is a good analogy. From the article you are referencing he wanted to be an engineer, just an agricultural one. WW2 changed that.

Also, he seems to acknowledge the fact that he was standing on the shoulders of giants:

But one thing is clear: before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field. I myself have had many experiences confirming this to be so.

Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by jacquesm on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @11:01AM (#6211898)
No, a better example is Elon Musk himself. Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla. That's a pretty good run and I don't think anybody will claim he was an insider to all three industries before he made a significant dent in them.
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by driverdan on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @10:27AM (#6211660)
It is extremely rare for someone with little to no knowledge or training in a field to step in and change everything. Anyone claiming to do so should is making extraordinary claims and needs to provide extraordinary evidence.
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by zwieback on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @11:34AM (#6212102)
True, but disruption is extremely rare in mechanical and civil engineering. It's more common in SW and theoretical fields.
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by jamesdelaneyie on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:05AM (#6211011)
Sounds like a marketing problem for these diligent hard workers? But would more attention aid them in their decade long hikes or hinder them by opening them up to more public scrutiny and the possible need to appease that can follow? Certainly don't know myself.
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by batemanesque on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:27AM (#6211077)
it's not a marketing problem. people outside a given field will, by virtue of their inexperience, be prone to more hubristic ideas they don't understand the impossibility of. combined w/ the tech scene's natural credulity - as demonstrated by the Soylent debacle - & there you go.

the problem w/ casually describing it as a "marketing problem" is it completely excuses both entrepreneurial excess & the whole Valley hype thing. sure, there should be an onus on people to present/market their ideas well, but also on the public to be a little more skeptical of wild & unfounded claims.

Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by user24 on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:36AM (#6211105)
I missed the soylent 'debacle', what went wrong?
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by DanBC on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:41AM (#6211120)
I think the parent is talking about the massive hype[1] generated around Soylent, which is i) weird ii) not in any way original and iii) sub-optimally marketed with some probably illegal claims.

[1] It's really impressive how they managed to create such interest around a product idea, with people describing it as innovative and disruptive, when you've been able to walk into any drugstore and buy identical (but better researched and quality assured) products off the shelf.

Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by batemanesque on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:40AM (#6211119)
the part where a guy who has no idea what he's doing got an absurdly positive response for a product that's nothing new at best & dangerous at worst
Re:A skeptical response to Musk's hyperloop by ThomPete on Wednesday August 14, 2013 @08:43AM (#6211131)
Well, think about how little spotlight Thorium have when it comes down to it. Only recently have there started to be momentum to get this field to a point where we can say whether it possible or not.

I would assume there are thousands of other areas like this where some "better" version never sees the light of day.