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Re:Lavabit abruptly shuts down by Dylan16807 on Thursday August 08, 2013 @07:00PM (#6182567)
Hold you in contempt for something you did years before the case was filed or the investigation even started? God, that's even worse than contempt of court for failing to say passwords under the fifth amendment.

I'm pretty sure I have some truecrypt containers I've forgotten the passwords to, sure hope I never get arrested!

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Re:Lavabit abruptly shuts down by gte910h on Friday August 09, 2013 @11:51AM (#6186355)
I think automatically breaking a gag order by a complicated mechanism is pretty contemptuous of someone trying to not get that information out?

I am not saying they're not worthy of that contempt, merely that they don't care if they are, just if you're showing contempt for the process and violating the order

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Re:Lavabit abruptly shuts down by Dylan16807 on Saturday August 10, 2013 @12:45AM (#6190092)
It's contemptuous of the court if I set up the mechanism because I was going to get such a gag letter.

But to say that a canary I set up a decade ago is contemptuous of a court filing made a month ago is ridiculous.

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Re:Lavabit abruptly shuts down by gte910h on Saturday August 10, 2013 @02:44PM (#6192175)
>But to say that a canary I set up a decade ago is contemptuous of a court filing made a month ago is ridiculous.

No it's not: You show contempt for the idea they could demand you silently turn over information. It's seething out of your posts here on HN even.

I don't think it's right they can do this, but I do think it's quite clearly preemptively raising a middle finger to the whole thing; it is "I cross my fingers behind my back so my swears don't count" type of stuff that judges don't accept and toss you in jail for.

You don't get to outthink and out maneuver this crap: You have to beat it in the system.

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Re:Lavabit abruptly shuts down by Dylan16807 on Sunday August 11, 2013 @01:09AM (#6193931)
Right, it shows extreme past contempt for the very idea that it could be possible, but this is in no way contempt toward the specific judge, nor must there still be contempt at this point.
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Re:Lavabit abruptly shuts down by Torkild on Saturday August 10, 2013 @12:50AM (#6190099)
Laws and ethics are rarely synonymous though.
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