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Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by chatmasta on Thursday August 01, 2013 @11:48AM (#6141116)
So am I, as a citizen, supposed to be content with a 9/11 scale terrorist attack happening "every few years?" If the idea of that frightens me, am I just falling victim to fear mongering? Do I "lack perspective?"
Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by lukifer on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:05PM (#6141241)
Yes. You lack perspective.

If the state can't prevent every murder, why would you expect that it could prevent every terrorist attack? Why does it make any actual difference whether deaths are simultaneous or distributed? Horrible things, intentional and accidental, happen every day, and they can't all be prevented, but you don't waste your time worrying about drunk drivers or lightning strikes, because they're spread out and you don't notice.

You make a reasonable and proportionate effort to protect yourself to the extent that you can, and roll the dice and pray to the extent that you can't. What makes terrorism any different than plain old murder?

Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by dllthomas on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:25PM (#6141395)
To all but the first, "yes." If that idea frightens you more than the greater number of murders or accidents or disasters, that kill more people and do more damage, then you have lost perspective - probably because you have fallen victim to fear mongering.

To the first, it depends on what we have to trade away and on what we get in return. There will always be risks, because our resources are finite and the world is occasionally hostile. A 9/11 scale terrorist attack happening every few years is bad, but unless the resources we shift there make a bigger difference in reducing those threats they can make elsewhere, you should be "content" in the sense that that is the result of the policy that you should prefer. In this context, freedom/power can be viewed as an important resource: power in the hands of the security apparatus makes them more effective, but freedom in the hands of the people helps to protect against government abuses (in the extreme, tyranny - but things don't have to get there for it to be important).

Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by scarmig on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:13PM (#6141300)
It's an iterated game. And the only way to win is not to play at all.

Once you get into the business of having your government spend trillions of dollars and destroying other countries in response to a couple idiots, you paradoxically make terrorism more likely, because shifts in policy accompany it.

When no one gives a shit, there's no incentive for ideological terrorists to attempt any interesting attacks, leaving only the occasional madman.

Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by agilord on Thursday August 01, 2013 @11:59AM (#6141207)
"We spend $0 a year on defense against meteor strike. Should I, as a citizen, be content with meteor strike happening every few years?"

"We spend $0 a year on defense against flesh-eating bacteria. Should I, as a citizen, be content with flesh-eating bacteria happening every few years?"

"We spend $0 a year on defense against maniacs going postal. Should I, as a citizen, be content with maniacs going postal happening every few years?"

Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by dllthomas on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:10PM (#6141275)
I don't think any of those statements are true.
Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by agilord on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:17PM (#6141327)
Compared to the US defense budgets and what the US spends on counter-terrorism, I think all of these are effectively zero. Yes, there might be programs in the million USD range, but certainly not in the hundreds of billions.
Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by dllthomas on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:29PM (#6141427)
Hmm, depends how you count it. Arguably, hospitals are significant defense against flesh eating bacteria, just not terribly targeted. Likewise, police forces, firearm restrictions, and mental health services all serve to reduce somewhat the risks from "maniacs going postal". I wouldn't be surprised if either of these were in the hundreds of billions, though certainly not all of that is federal money. I don't know enough about meteor defense, but expect you're closer to unequivocally right there.
Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by agilord on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:35PM (#6141486)
So, police forces do great job to prevent terrorism too. Hospitals have knowledge how to mitigate the casualties of a bioterror attack. By your reasoning, we might say that we already have the infrastructure to prevent the immediate dangers of terrorism too (without the defense budget monster). Oh yes, they are "not terribly targeted" :)
Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by dllthomas on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:46PM (#6141585)
I don't know what you're arguing, here. Yes, by my reasoning it's fair to count some of that spending toward fighting terrorism - in fact, I believe that should be a significant portion of our response: investing in resiliency that will help in the event of terrorism but also in the event of the myriad other disasters we are occasionally faced with, and hopefully even when there's no disaster at all.

It's still wrong to say we spend $0 on X, Y, and Z.

Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by jhickner on Thursday August 01, 2013 @02:54PM (#6142566)
Yes.

David Foster Wallace says it better than I could: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/11/just-ask...

Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by gnaritas on Thursday August 01, 2013 @01:26PM (#6141916)
> am I just falling victim to fear mongering? Do I "lack perspective?"

Yes.

Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by Goronmon on Thursday August 01, 2013 @11:55AM (#6141175)
So am I, as a citizen, supposed to be content with a 9/11 scale terrorist attack happening "every few years?"

We spend $0 a year on defense against alien invasions. Should I, as a citizen, be content with alien invasions happening every few years?

Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by mpyne on Thursday August 01, 2013 @12:32PM (#6141457)
Has any alien invasion ever happened?

Also, you don't know that DoD spends nothing against alien invasions. :)

Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by dllthomas on Thursday August 01, 2013 @03:01PM (#6142641)
This is a poor response - I had posited "every few years"
Re:Snowden granted 1-year asylum in Russia, leaves airport by jpttsn on Thursday August 01, 2013 @02:38PM (#6142418)
Are you reasoning under the assumption that this can't be the case?