Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by milesokeefe on Friday July 26, 2013 @08:42AM
(#6107867)
>Also 20 hours should give you enough time to track down a device using Find My iPhone (or similar service) before they can unlock it and shut tracking down.
Couldn't you just put this whole operation in a faraday cage to bypass that?
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by kalleboo on Friday July 26, 2013 @08:49AM
(#6107894)
Or just remove the SIM card...
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by Plutor on Friday July 26, 2013 @08:51AM
(#6107903)
Pattern unlock has 9 spots, and you need to select at least 4. So the possible number of patterns is:
9!/5! + 9!/4! + 9!/3! + 9!/2! + 9!/1! + 9!/0!
Which is just 985,824. And you could certainly search the more likely combinations first -- people almost always select adjacent spots consecutively.
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by JoshTriplett on Friday July 26, 2013 @03:22PM
(#6109973)
That assumes you can go directly from any spot to any other spot, which you can't. Given a grid that looks like this:
123
456
789
you can't go directly from 1 to 3 unless 2 has been selected. I also don't think you can immediately backtrack, as in 213; you have to go 2513, for instance.With that in mind, I wrote a quick search:
Adjacent only (can't go from 1 to 6 or 8)
1 9
2 40
3 160
4 496
5 1208
6 2240
7 2984
8 2384
9 784
total: 10305
total with length >= 4: 10096
Non-adjacent (knight-moves) allowed (can go from 1 to 6 or 8)
1 9
2 56
3 304
4 1400
5 5328
6 16032
7 35328
8 49536
9 32256
total: 140249
total with length >= 4: 139880
Pass through previous spots, no immediate backtracking (2513 but not 213)
1 9
2 56
3 304
4 1464
5 6136
6 21344
7 57184
8 105376
9 100928
total: 292801
total with length >= 4: 292432
Pass through previous spots, with immediate backtracking allowed (213)
1 9
2 56
3 320
4 1624
5 7152
6 26016
7 72912
8 140704
9 140704
total: 389497
total with length >= 4: 389112
So, I believe the correct number is 292432. For comparison, that's less secure than a 6-digit PIN, or a 4-lowercase-letter password.More importantly, though, if you're using an unlock pattern, you can't be using disk encryption, so anyone who has physical possession of your phone need not bother brute-forcing the unlock pattern.
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by guard-of-terra on Friday July 26, 2013 @01:54PM
(#6109487)
Pattern unlock leaves a body fat trail on the screen that is trivial NOT to see & exploit.
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by pigscantfly on Friday July 26, 2013 @06:26PM
(#6110946)
Exactly - if you hold my phone up to a light, you can easily see my unlock pattern in the fingerprints left on the screen.
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by milkshakes on Friday July 26, 2013 @10:08AM
(#6108261)
doesn't that assume you can only select each pad once?
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by jaredmcateer on Friday July 26, 2013 @10:36AM
(#6108420)
Yea and you can only select an adjacent spot so that also limits combinations.
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by woqe on Friday July 26, 2013 @02:05PM
(#6109549)
You can actually select spots not adjacent to the current one.
Consider the "spots" labeled in rows from left to right as 1 2 3, 4 5 6, and 7 8 9.
If I start at 1, I can go to 2, 4, 5, 6, and 8 directly. Also, if I have used all spots except 1 and 9, I can go to 1 then directly to 9.
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by ZoF on Friday July 26, 2013 @10:41AM
(#6108453)
Yep, and the fact that the above calculation doesn't even allow for combinations greater than four...
Overall not a reliable number :)
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by hfsktr on Friday July 26, 2013 @10:45AM
(#6108474)
My Galaxy S4 seems to only allow one direction for each node.
Re:This $200 3D printed bot can crack your phone's PIN in 20...
by ZoF on Friday July 26, 2013 @10:39AM
(#6108445)
You can in fact only select each pad once.
Also 20 hours should give you enough time to track down a device using Find My iPhone (or similar service) before they can unlock it and shut tracking down.