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Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by codahale on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @01:08PM (#605733)
That's "you're right." Engineers must have excellent writing and communication skills. You're fired.
Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by ErrantX on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @01:43PM (#605818)
Yay abuse.... you should see some of my other writing: dyslexia really takes it's toll when you cant see the difference between "many men" and "man ymen" (a mistake I made last night) even when you read it back. It makes teeny tiny grammar errors like that immaterial ;)

Take your abuse elsewhere: I am happy to debate my points but at least bring something constructive.

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by ThatRickGuy on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @02:10PM (#605882)
I'm not meaning to be abusive here, but I would highly recommend a spelling and grammar checker plug-in/add-on. There are many solid options available to both IE and FF. Being a person with dyslexia, and obviously knowing how critical clear communication is, it would be responsible of you to use such a tool to reduce the likelihood of confusion.

-Rick

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by ErrantX on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @02:17PM (#605893)
Thanks - not abusive at all :). Actually firefox for some obscure reason wont spell check me any more - possibly I am tbeing lazy not fixing it. I long ago developed some default checks on my writing to make sure spelling made sense (it only really breaks down now when im tired). But to the point of this reply: can you recommend a grammar checker for FireFox? Embarrasingly I cant find one on the addons site :(
Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by codahale on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @02:50PM (#605951)
Ho ho! You fell into my trap!

"It's" is a contraction of "it is." You mean "its" -- the possessive form.

Another black eye for you; another feather in my cap!

(Seriously, though. You're demanding tolerance of your cognitive differences -- which is perfectly reasonable -- but also asserting that engineers should approach problems by breaking it into finite automata, GIGO be damned. This strikes me as odd.)

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by ErrantX on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @05:03PM (#606157)
Im not demanding anything. What I am saying is that resorting to attacking that (which has very little relevance to the discussion at hand) isn't going to win you the round. ;)

To defend my statement: I explained how I, as an engineer, break a problem down. Pretty much every other engineer I know uses much the same approach (and when I hire I look for the same skill because it fits into our team) - but it's, of course, not the only way. Each to his own.

Seriously: if your going to call out my english at least read and understand what is written ;)

Nit picking over language isn't making a point for you: it'simply suggesting you dont have a decent counter argument. Someone else posted a convincing one - you should give it a read :)

Your a "newish" commentor so I guess you havent learned the culture here :) I made the same mistake once. It's cool no harm done.

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by codahale on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @06:56PM (#606239)
Again with the traps!

First, you're chasing an irrelevant point. My grammatical nitpicking has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'm writing down "easily distracted by internet arguments."

Second, you're assuming importance. By bringing my "newish"-ness into play you're effectively asserting that hanging out in Hacker News makes you better at arguing your points, which obviously isn't true regardless of how high your karma is. I'm writing down "doesn't actually look up accounts' creation dates before tossing around seniority."

Third, you're assuming ignorance. I have no interest in talking about interviewing policies with you. I am trolling. You have been trolled. Do not feed the troll. I'm writing down "has been trolled."

Fourth, you're chasing the wrong issue. Actually, this is the same as the first trap. I'm not sure why you decided to list it as a separate bullet point. But hey! Traps! Bullet points! I'm writing down "overly fond of bullet points."

Fifth and finally, you're assuming irrelevance. Not in the "making an assumption about" sense of the word, but in the "acquiring the attributes of" sense. I'm writing down "GIGO."

Black eyes! Feathers in caps! Traps!

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by ErrantX on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @04:09AM (#606631)
Nah your actually really poor at this... but i will humour it :)

Wait no i cant be bothered: you've given up the charade so will I.

I know your trolling, it's amusing to feed trolls because (especially round here) it outs them from what they are for very little burn.

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by codahale on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @12:15PM (#607087)
More traps! More black eyes! Nary a feather in your cap! Had you any friends I would urge them to see to you.

The ideal candidate for this job knows when -- as Kenny Rogers put it -- to "hold 'em" and when to "fold 'em." By not simply walking away from a fruitless discussion with a self-admitted troll, you've shown yourself to place pride above the minimax of effort in the pursuit of solution. This single-minded devotion to a stupid, stupid task is not a quality we look for in our engineers.

Instead of readjusting strategies and avoiding the sunken cost fallacy, you chose the classic 6th grade technique of pretending you knew all along and the decidedly modern approach of post-facto appointing yourself as head of Hacker News' Troll-Baiting Brigade (official motto: "We Get Made Fun Of So You Don't Have To," official song: "Nearer To Thee, PG"). When faced with a losing bet, you doubled up.

You can keep the dry erase marker you're holding, but I'm going to have to ask security to see you out.

Hard to find quality candidates these days...

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by KirinDave on Tuesday May 12, 2009 @05:20PM (#606173)
He as pointing out a potential inconsistency in your posts very subtly and politely, compared to how I would have done it.

I am a software engineer and I do not work the way you are describing. I take the actual problem to be solved very seriously and try and solve that in the most minimal way possible while leveraging and reusing existing code. I suppose I am not hired because I work differently. I've fallen into your trap of not designing complex systems in a stressful situation the way you expect me to.

So in revenge all my interviews now require a properly spelled and gramatically correct 5k word essay. It's just as arbitrary as what you've proposed. It is my "trap", which is your code word for "unreasonable and inscrutable expectation."

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by ErrantX on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @04:05AM (#606628)
your assuming I wouldnt spell check a 5K essay and therefore would dail such a test... ;)

EDIT: as I mentioned elsewhere people do do things in other ways (though you seem to be suggesting my approach might not take a problem seriously??) and there ain't anything wrong with that. At no point did I say there was :)

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by KirinDave on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @10:20AM (#606918)
"your [sic] assuming I wouldnt spell check a 5K essay and therefore would dail such a test... ;)"

Whiteboards have spellcheck?

Re:My toughest job-interview question ever by ErrantX on Wednesday May 13, 2009 @12:12PM (#607077)
Specify the parameters of your requirements ;)

aka touche.