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Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by miguelrochefort on Sunday July 14, 2013 @03:47PM (#6041967)
The only reason Windows Phone is not the dominant mobile OS is because of the social stigma around Windows.

For most people, Windows Phone is a MUCH better experience than Android.

The problem is that no one gives Windows Phone a chance. I don't know many people that used Windows Phone and switched back to Android/iPhone. Beside the app factor (which is much less of an issue than what people think), Windows Phone is an excellent mobile OS.

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by igravious on Sunday July 14, 2013 @04:21PM (#6042093)
Where I'm at, I'm the geek. I wouldn't ever recommend a Windows Phone to any one of my less tech savvy relations because I haven't liked Microsoft the company for years. It was with joy that I watched Android getting all shiny and polished and taking off in a big way and getting loads of developers. Microsoft long long ago used up the last remaining goodwill I had for them, that's just the way it is.

For example: My sister wanted a laptop, I recommended a Macbook even though I'd never used one; she bought one and loved it and now I do have one too. My Mum has a Samsung S3 Mini, I have a HTC One X, all the rest have iPhones. Microsoft would have to radically alter their DNA before I'd take a look at any of their software or hardware offerings.

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by throwawaykf02 on Sunday July 14, 2013 @04:58PM (#6042212)
Well if we're trading anecdotes, my sister-in-law (a serious geek type herself) wanted a MacBook and I convinced her to get a Windows PC instead. And of the several computing devices in my house, Apple products outnumber those running Windows 2:1.

The difference is, I bought my Apple devices for dirt cheap from my previous employer, whereas she'd be buying one retail. Spending 2x the money for the same hardware capability and an OS that's equivalent does not make economic sense to me.

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by miguelrochefort on Monday July 15, 2013 @12:13AM (#6043680)
This proves my point.

Have you ever used a Windows Phone device? Probably not. Windows Phone is the most consistent mobile OS out there, and the simplest to use. I would never recommend an Android device to my parents (or any non-geek). iPhone is okay, but I'm not a fan of the skeuomorphism. Windows Phone is simple, elegant, affordable and extremely usable. It's NOTHING like Windows on PC.

I recommend Macbook Airs and Windows Phones to most people. I only recommend iPhones to "cool kids" and "early users" (those who want access to the cool new apps and games).

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by bhughes on Sunday July 14, 2013 @04:07PM (#6042050)
The reason why people don't use Windows Phone is because they don't want to.

It's easy to say in a place like HN that there is a "social stigma" around using Windows, but for the average consumer this is clearly not the case. For a lot of typical desktop users, Windows is the computer ("reboot your Windows", "start up Windows", etc). Microsoft simply couldn't find a way to leverage that in the mobile space.

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by snom380 on Sunday July 14, 2013 @07:42PM (#6042759)
No. the reason Windows Phone is not dominant is because it came too late to the party, and offers no real advantage over iOS or Android. Both Microsoft and Nokia made the fatal mistake of announcing the death of their old mobile operating systems way before they had shipping WP devices.

In the meantime, everyone I know working in enterprise transitioned to Android and iPhone (except some on BlackBerry) - this happened as soon as those platforms had working Exchange sync, encrypted storage and remote management. To get any significant market share Microsoft now has to pay their way to it with extreme subsidies and massive marketing, or wait for Apple and Google to stumble, something they have yet to do.

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by obtino on Sunday July 14, 2013 @06:07PM (#6042440)
I would have given MS a second chance - until I found out about their level of co-operation with the NSA.
Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by cheery on Sunday July 14, 2013 @04:15PM (#6042071)
Shut up Microsoft shill.

Most people do not even have a clue about which operating system their phone has. And they do not care. Just like they do not do with PC either.

If Windows Phone doesn't interest anyone. It is because they were unable to fit a niche. It is because their phone is a disaster. The operating system is irrelevant for most of phone users.

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by freehunter on Sunday July 14, 2013 @04:42PM (#6042159)
See, that's the problem. Someone says something nice about Windows and suddenly they're being told (in an incredibly fucking rude fashion) that they must be working for Microsoft because Microsoft is the devil.

You just proved his point that no one talks about Microsoft because of the social stigma attached to it. You just proved that if you say something nice about Microsoft, your peers will make you an outcast.

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by RyanZAG on Sunday July 14, 2013 @04:58PM (#6042214)
Perception is reality.

1) In mainstream use, Microsoft and Windows are 'Big Business'. Nobody wants that anywhere near the photos of their kids.

2) For geeks, Microsoft is the devil because they've managed to annoy most long time geeks in some form or another.

Indeed, it really is the problem. But it's the problem Microsoft is going to have to fix - and believe me, their 'spam the forums' and 'give free things' approach is not going to cut it. They need to drop the Windows and Microsoft branding for consumer devices in the same way Lexus is not Toyota. They need to make sure that the business and consumer products look as different as possible also.

I realize Microsoft is doing the exact opposite of what I've said above - and that's the real problem. What you're complaining about is just the mis-branding and mis-management of Microsoft bleeding through into the general populace.

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by igravious on Sunday July 14, 2013 @06:40PM (#6042530)
In the same way that Android is a really decent Linux rebranding.

But I would ask that the platform be in some way open. Windows has always been open in that it will run on a variety of commodity hardware and there are no restrictions on who can develop for the platform and in how they can distribute their software. MacOS (and iOS) has always been restricted to Apple hardware. So Apple has always been more closed and walled garden-y than Microsoft with the exception that they use a load of open-source software in their OS stack once you look under the hood.

Microsoft (seeing as how they won't go the open-source model cuz it aint in their blood) could try and make the Windows Phone OS installable on a whole bunch of phones, it could allow for easy side-loading of apps and have a very low $ (perhaps even zero?) entry into their app store. That way Microsoft might eventually replicate the dominance they have on the desktop. But even then a lot of geeks are going to be wary.

Android really seems unstoppable. Nokia should never have gone exclusively with Windows Phone OS - it seems really strange back then and it seems practically suicidal now.

Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by mst on Sunday July 14, 2013 @04:51PM (#6042193)
Looking at cheery's comments, it seems that he's that negative about pretty much everything.
Re:Elop explains: why Nokia didn't choose Android to replace... by koko775 on Sunday July 14, 2013 @04:45PM (#6042170)
Longtime Android developer here. Windows Phone is actually legitimately good.