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Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by danso on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @09:08AM (#6012438)
OT and out of curiosity...how do non-native English speakers experience typing/keyboard education? I can barely remember how to make any of the basic accents over the `e` when trying to sound French...are typing classes in non-English schooling systems much more sophisticated than in English (i.e. ASCII-centric) schools? I wonder if non-native English typists come away with a better handling of the power of keyboard shortcuts (whether to create accents or not)
Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by kalleboo on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @09:41AM (#6012573)
Most countries just have different keyboards so they don't need any dead keys. Look to the right of P/L http://www.danielschlaug.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2011...
Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by yebyen on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @11:38AM (#6013195)
What do you do without square and curly braces, I'm curious? Everyone writes only lisp and html? :)
Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by mattengi on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @02:01PM (#6021643)
In Korea, almost all keyboard is just plain QWERTY keyboard with additional Hangul Printing.[0]

Right Alt key used as Hangul(Korean)/English toggle, right Ctrl key as Hanja.

When toggled to Hangul, only English characters are overridden by Hangul characters. All numbers, symbols are also same when you are in English typing mode.

Basically no additional key in there compared to QWERTY.

Is that complex and hard learning type in Hangul? Nope. Maybe 'Korean' is complex to learn, but 'Hangul' - I mean, script? character composition system? sort of that - is quite simple.[2]

Actually It's capable of implement more efficient input layout than English especially more restricted environment. Like basic cell phone key layout(E.161).[1]

There was a King, and He was really great hacker. Because he was a King, he grabbed bunch of smart guy all around country. ; ) Then push them working hard. (did I said he was King?) Therefore, invented many good one for country people. Today Korean has own quite good and expressive characters and he deserved quite good place.[3]

[0] http://i.imgur.com/j0Xk6oY.jpg

[1] http://bit.ly/11CF0mS

[2] http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=neraijel&logNo=110...

[3] http://i.imgur.com/69jkSXa.jpg

Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by lucb1e on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @12:09PM (#6013353)
In the Netherlands we use the "US International" keyboard, which is basically qwerty like you're used to but with dead keys to make áéàüetc. We don't have that many odd characters so it's okay not to have special keys for it, but I'd agree with anyone saying that even these few are too many. If we're gonna clean the language up though, let's also get rid of other overhead. For example the sentence "If we clean language though, rid other overhead" makes quite a lot of sense.

Other countries that make even less sense and use way too many special characters (from my blunt perspective) usually have different keyboards. Prime example that I know of is France where you have to use the shift key to make numbers.

To answer what you actually asked: Yes we are taught how to make those special characters. For me it's as logic as typing parenthesis or the euro sign, but I'm spending most of my waking hours typing one thing or another. Many people don't or barely know how to.

It's not what most of the time is spent on in those courses. We're being taught the asdfjkl; row just like everyone else. Or aoeuhtns, depending on your keyboard (in the Netherlands we only have qwerty though). Making accents is more of a side thing that's mentioned once or twice after learning everything else at an acceptable speed.

Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by eric_the_read on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @04:49PM (#6015372)
Possible interpretations of "If we clean language though, rid other overhead":

* We should|could|would|must|might|ought to|need to get rid of other overhead.

* You should|could|would|must|ought to|might get rid of other overhead.

* Those guys over there should|etc. get rid of other overhead.

* I can't type "ride". What does "...ride other overhead" mean? I dunno, but people write incoherent things all the time.

IOW, what you think of as "overhead" probably isn't, especially with natural language.

Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by salmonellaeater on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @11:08AM (#6013033)
Chinese has many different input methods. For example, in Taiwan most keyboards have the symbols for 4 different input methods printed on them: English/Pinyin on the top left, Zhuyin on the top right, Cangjie on the lower left, and Dayi on the lower right. The top two are phonetic, and the bottom two are symbolic.

Chinese input methods typically require a sequence of key-presses and then a selection from a menu of matching characters, with the most common matches first. Multi-character sequences can be entered without making a choice until the end, in which case the most likely n-grams come first.

Most people in Taiwan learn phonetic (Zhuyin) in school, which is very easy, as long as you know standard pronunciation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Taiwan

Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by gilgoomesh on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @09:16AM (#6012469)
Japanese often type in "Romaji" (a romanized transliteration of Japanese). Basically, they type phonetically in roman characters and the computer suggests/autocompletes characters which match the phonetics. It's a little like typing SMSs in T9 on old numberpad phones.
Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by aroberge on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @12:10PM (#6013359)
I switch (with a key combination) between a French keyboard, when I need to write text in French with accents, and an English keyboard when I need to type various types of brackets e.g. [] and {}. I actually know two different French keyboard layouts ... and can touch type fairly efficiently using any of the three. I don't consider myself a very efficient user of keyboard shortcuts.
Re:How ASCII lost and unicode won by estel on Tuesday July 09, 2013 @09:12AM (#6012453)
The easiest solution is to use country specific keyboards that include characters most needed by that language ie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_France.svg