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Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by quaunaut on Sunday July 07, 2013 @07:59PM (#6004200)
Honest question: Have we, as a society, looked into possibly supplying people with short-term loans, with a guaranteed open position for someone at a place in more rural parts of America?

Originally, I was born in Fresno, CA. We didn't have the most healthy job rate when times were good, let alone once the recession hit. I spent five years looking for a job- and didn't find one until I got the help of a friend online in Claremore, Oklahoma, who let me move in. In a month I was working at an auto parts store, even though I knew jack shit about cars. I was making enough that I could've survived with that job. I'd be poor, I couldn't go to college, but I could survive.

I was lucky enough that I had a nice computer I'd gotten from when there was a windfall in the family, and I'd taught myself to program enough Python and Django to get a webdev job remotely. But even if I hadn't, I could've survived on this. Getting me out there cost a grand total of perhaps ~$1500, at most, and that'd get me my first month's rent. Tack on another $1000 and I'd have 3 months rent total and enough leftover to get a cheap bed.

Is this economically feasible? Would it even provide good economic value? People are needed in these rural areas, but I just don't know if it'd provide enough economic reward to actually be worth it to the country.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by columbo on Sunday July 07, 2013 @09:56PM (#6004651)
Well kind-of but not exactly... there is job corps: http://www.jobcorps.gov/home.aspx

Basic trade skills, pays you for earning a GED, most of the centres are rual so it's hard to fall into 'temptation'. Overall a great program.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by waps on Monday July 08, 2013 @02:37AM (#6005474)
There is the military ?
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by jlgreco on Sunday July 07, 2013 @08:08PM (#6004229)
Sounds almost like a modern homesteading act. Interesting idea.
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by hkmurakami on Sunday July 07, 2013 @08:42PM (#6004357)
I wonder what fraction of the (let's call it) hopelessly unemployed would take up such an option if it's offered to everyone who wants it. As a whole our society has become much more entitled than back in those days, and the way in which we've been brought up, I wonder if some would see it as patronizing and reject the offer, even if it really would have meant a better future for them.

Then again I have been incredible throughout my life, winning the birth lottery pretty big and probably can't hope to truly understand the psychology and desires of much of my own very diverse country. Maybe I am wrong. Hopefully I am wrong. After all I can only really see this world through my own biased bullshit perspective.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by jlgreco on Sunday July 07, 2013 @08:51PM (#6004393)
I suspect it would not do much to help the people who are homeless because they are struggling with mental illness or addiction (which I understand account for the majority of homeless people). Those are problems that need a more targeted program.
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by quaunaut on Sunday July 07, 2013 @11:49PM (#6005081)
I don't see it getting used by a majority- but 10, 20% maybe? Sure. There's a lot of shame that comes with being jobless, and as much as you think we're more entitled as a culture, people who go years without work, while living in poverty or just above it, don't feel entitled for much.

However, many of them are incredibly close to their family or friends- after all, what's the point of life if you don't have anything you love in yours? I was a bit fortunate that my family had effectively written me off as a failure, which left me little guilt to feel when I left.

Then, my entire life turned around. In the span of 14 months, I go from unemployed, to auto parts delivery, to paid-for-shit web developer, to absolutely amazing webdev/product development job. All without college, and thusly, with no debt.

I got stupendously lucky, once the bad luck ran out. But I don't imagine as many had the pure hopelessness that I had before, where you have no moral support from friends/family, and no hope for work, which gives you no reason to not leave.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by GauntletWizard on Monday July 08, 2013 @01:31AM (#6005314)
There's no shame in being jobless - Not for these people, it's a societal norm. There's no shame in asking for government handouts, blowing it on booze and drugs and gold chains and other luxuries, then complaining that you can't make rent and can't buy food. There is no shame whatsoever - just a continuing resentment that they are owed something by society that is not being provided, like everything else they have ever had.
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by quaunaut on Monday July 08, 2013 @07:52AM (#6006279)
I'm sorry, but this rings of such blatant ignorance that I couldn't help but respond.

Have you ever even been to a poor neighborhood, in your life? I've lived there. Everyone I knew growing up lived there. Poverty doesn't work that way. Blowing your money on booze and drugs and gold chains and other luxuries? Christ, you barely have enough money for food, let alone all of that. I don't mean "barely enough money to buy food after all of the other things", I mean that tonight you're having a can of chicken noodle soup, just like the last three nights in a row, so that on Friday you can go to McDonalds for two or three items off the dollar menu as a treat. The people you're talking about are dozens of steps above the people I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the people for whom if they made even $10k a year they'd be some of the happiest people on earth. There are millions of them, in America. And Christ, no shame in asking for government handouts? WHAT government handouts? Are you at all, even one iota, familiar with the welfare system of the United States? It's incredibly hard to get much of anything beyond for a few months unless you have some kind of job. A few years if you're a pregnant woman. And when you're jobless for this many years, well, too bad.

I'm sorry, but you couldn't possibly know less about what you're talking about. Your statement smacks of overt racism, and if you seriously claim "Well hey white people get gold chains too", I just hope you realize that you're not fooling a soul.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by aaronbrethorst on Monday July 08, 2013 @02:18AM (#6005430)
Setting aside the blatant and overt racism inherent in your statement, the studies on this topic are quite clear and directly contradict what you're saying.

I wish I could point you to full text articles, but they're all behind paywalls. Try googling 'joblessness black youth depression' to read some relevant abstracts.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by tracker1 on Monday July 08, 2013 @05:40AM (#6005950)
I've seen my fair share of white people that have the same attitude described above. It isn't necessarily a racial divide, and not everyone is motivated to do/be better.
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by pliny on Monday July 08, 2013 @12:11AM (#6005147)
>As a whole our society has become much more entitled than back in those days

You should recall that less than a century ago people felt they were entitled to own other people, perhaps you mean that as a whole our society has grown averse to letting people starve in ghettos.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by specialist on Monday July 08, 2013 @11:22AM (#6007207)
Have we, as a society, looked into possibly supplying people with short-term loans...

"The reason poor people remain poor is because they don't have access to capital."

Sorry, I couldn't quickly rediscover the author / researcher who made this statement.

Everything costs more when you're poor and it's harder to get ahead when you're underwater. Having been "poor" (medical debt), I heartedly concur.

I learn all sorts of new things listening to Mind Over Matters on keep.org every weekend.

http://kexp.org/programs/MindOverMatters

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by rmc on Monday July 08, 2013 @04:36AM (#6005764)
Interesting idea. But what do you do if the person without a job is gay, lesbian, trans, etc, and the job is in the bible belt.
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by sliverstorm on Sunday July 07, 2013 @10:34PM (#6004795)
It could certainly be tried on the private scale. Perhaps you help them locate a position in addition to bankrolling the move.

I don't think there are many loan products currently that could fill that kind of need, so it could be an open opportunity.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by quaunaut on Sunday July 07, 2013 @11:52PM (#6005090)
Certainly could. But God, talk about risky investment. I don't see how you'd reliably make your money back. Not to mention, what business is going to say, "Yeah I want the dregs of somewhere really far away." without extra monetary incentive?
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by rorrr2 on Sunday July 07, 2013 @08:40PM (#6004351)
You had a computer, and it took you five years to find A job?

I find that hard to believe.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by quaunaut on Sunday July 07, 2013 @10:01PM (#6004667)
Not all of us are born knowing people who can get us jobs. Fresno had one of the densest populations of poverty in America, and as someone with no college, finding minimum-wage work was near impossible- 4,000 people show up for jobs at grocery stores. And no, that isn't an exaggeration.

Combine that with not knowing where to look or who to ask when it comes to getting remote programming work, you don't really have a lot in the way of recourse.

Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by rorrr2 on Monday July 08, 2013 @09:44AM (#6006704)
I knew none of my employers. Try Craigslist, Monster, Dice, LinkedIn.
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by sjtgraham on Sunday July 07, 2013 @08:51PM (#6004397)
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Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by deadairspace on Sunday July 07, 2013 @10:10PM (#6004708)
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Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by jmillikin on Sunday July 07, 2013 @10:54PM (#6004874)
Re:The Jobless Rate for Poor Black Teen Dropouts is 95% by fretless on Monday July 08, 2013 @03:50AM (#6005641)
If you spent a few days in (central California belt of) Stockton, Modesto or Fresno looking for a job, you might learn some empathy