Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO

Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by jellicle on Saturday July 06, 2013 @08:12PM (#6000525)

It's an obvious tragedy of the commons problem. Everyone would get off fastest if they brought no bags. But taking YOUR bag only slows down debarking a tiny amount, and it saves you weeks of hassle. Clearly the rational choice is to bring your bag. But when everyone brings their bag, possibly half the flight dies due to smoke inhalation from not getting off the plane quickly. But even then, it's STILL the right choice to bring your bag. Your exit speed is determined by whether everyone else brings their bag, a choice which you cannot affect.

The people who brought their bags off the plane today have their clothes, laptops and passports tonight; they can go to work tomorrow. The people who didn't are locked up in a customs holding cell, wearing the same underwear, for a few days until someone can issue them a passport. They'll never get their bag back and the airline will, after filing dozens of forms, compensate them about $50 for it.

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Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by sneak on Saturday July 06, 2013 @10:33PM (#6000822)

Electronic locks that lock all overhead compartments whenever the seatbelt sign is on, with clear LED indication and preflight explanation so people know their bags are inaccessible and simply don't try.

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Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by jonknee on Saturday July 06, 2013 @11:26PM (#6000924)

Many of the bags look like ones that would be under a seat. That's the one I would snag too--laptop and camera.

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Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by sneak on Sunday July 07, 2013 @01:21AM (#6001136)

The majority of handluggage is in overhead compartments, especially larger stuff. It's not a 100% solution but it's cheap and easy to implement.

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Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by ars on Sunday July 07, 2013 @01:17AM (#6001129)

That would actually waste WAY WAY more time as each and every person will try to open the lock, and fail.

Then some of them will really fight with the lock refusing to leave.

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Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by sneak on Sunday July 07, 2013 @01:25AM (#6001147)

Not if there's a giant LED-lit "LOCKED" next to the handle, which is explained by crew before take-off. Even if they ignored the crew, they'd see the lighted "LOCKED" next to/on the handle.

Mitigating against that exact misunderstanding was part of my suggestion - otherwise you could just lock them with no lights/explanation, but then you'd run into the problem you describe.

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Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by pyre on Sunday July 07, 2013 @01:54AM (#6001195)

That doesn't stop people from panicking (e.g. "My stuff!") and attempting to break the lock. In the NTSB report, people were arguing with the flight crew over whether or not to leave their luggage during evacuation.

Edit: I'll add that I was in a retail store (employee) that was evacuated by police, due to an armed gunman. People were still worried about the office chair or shredder that they wanted to buy. An officer had to basically get up on a counter, and hold up his gun and badge and say, "Everyone out! Now!"

On the way out some guy was trying to ask me if we would be open later because he (apparently) really wanted to get this office chair he was looking at.

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Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by ars on Sunday July 07, 2013 @02:38AM (#6001277)

And even with a locked message, each person will still try and open it anyway. (You've never disbelieved a sign and tried something for yourself? You've never said "I have to see/try that for myself, even though someone told you what was/did/will happen?)

It's human nature. You have to work with it, not against it.

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Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by _delirium on Saturday July 06, 2013 @08:19PM (#6000537)

One obvious improvement, if your analysis is correct, is to apply some kind of more-sane treatment to undocumented immigrants who are undocumented due to an obviously anomalous situation, such as surviving a plane crash. If people really believe that the U.S. will treat them well if they do the right thing, they may be more inclined to do the right thing.

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Re:Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashes at SFO by jzwinck on Saturday July 06, 2013 @10:18PM (#6000780)

The US regulations already contain provisions for this. You needn't worry that the people who lost their passport in a plane crash will be treated inhumanely. They may be inconvenienced in terms of lost time, but at least they didn't die in a fire.

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