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Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by drawkbox on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:08AM (#5977858)
I primarily use Sublime, TextMate or Komodo on Mac for python dev but would love to also use VS. I do run windows and do most dev on that under VS. Maybe one day VS will come to Mac, I know that doesn't follow the platform mission but would get some good traction for Visual Studio going forward and a little fire under Xcode for C/C++ dev on Mac.

At this point both XCode and VS are pretty equal but XCode I also like and have no problem with. Both are unique to the OS though. Both are also extremely bloated but needed for C/C++ dev. Eclipse is also a bit cludgy. That python to native screenshot on the site looks intruiging.

I do use MonoDevelop on Mac for Unity dev and it does support debugging but would love to use VS on Mac one day.

All in all when I do python dev I like less in my IDE at times, just a good autocomplete/intellisense and I usually despise integrated source control into IDEs preferring to do it with outside tools such as terminal/cmd, sourcetree or tortoises. SCM integration in IDEs always seems to kill performance and gets out of sync, especially in the latest MonoDevelop (startup indexing kills the usefulness - http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/356129/monodevelop-perf...).

Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by stevoski on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:23AM (#5977954)
Try PyCharm. It works on Mac and Windows and is miles ahead of XCode for Python.
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by tomlu on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:36AM (#5978043)
For what it's worth I'll give a second vote to PyCharm. Great out-of-the-box go to definition, find all references and refactoring support.
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by drawkbox on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:31AM (#5978004)
Haven't tried it yet, might give it a try. The debugging looks cool and even Guido seems to think it has some benefits: https://profiles.google.com/115212051037621986145/buzz/CGh9M... - note he mentions painful SCM integration, as usual in IDEs that just doesn't work well. SCM support I usually turn off as it adds iteration lag typically. Prefer the scm tools directly almost always.
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by euroclydon on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:41AM (#5978064)
I keep SourceTree, by the same company, running while I'm working in PyCharm, and it picks up all the changes nicely. It has been my crutch in becoming competent using Git.
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by sshconnection on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:53AM (#5978146)
PyCharm is built by JetBrains, and SourceTree by Atlassian. Both great products, though.
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by vaughan on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @11:51AM (#5978650)
Exactly what I do. I've just started using IntelliJ change sets which are really useful.
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by schrodinger on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:14AM (#5977897)
One thing that drives me nuts in Xcode as opposed to VS is that the autocomplete only completes when you hit tab. I want it to compete when I hit a period or a space too like it does in VS! Considering you find them both basically equal, have you found a workaround for this or is it just not frustrating to you?
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by drawkbox on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:24AM (#5977959)
Unfortunately no, just have to deal. Some use "CTRL + SPACE" or ESC or "CTRL + ," but it still doesn't do it very smart. VS autocomplete is still smarter and quicker it seems. I do like the greying auto complete of XCode as you type as sometimes the drop down gets in the way.
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by schrodinger on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:36AM (#5978037)
Got ya. BTW - in Visual Studio if you hold down control while the autocomplete is open, it goes translucent so you can see your code behind it!
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by jrarredondo on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @11:17AM (#5978342)
Awesomeness
Re:Python Tools for Visual Studio by yngccc on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @11:07AM (#5978262)
VS 2013 now comes with way more editing options than Xcode. It always drive me nut that I couldn't make IDE automatically insert space around function parameters, because it is not a popular style.