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Re:Snowden appeals to 15 countries for political asylum by coldtea on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:20PM (#5973960)
Actually Putin is a well beloved leader in his country, and does very well at elections (BS memes aside). He's just less popular with tech urbanised youth, an insignificant minority in Russia, but quite vocal in the intertubes.

Yes, there is corruption in Russia (not that it doesn't happen in every country, it's just than in Russia it's old style as opposed to the modern western style (from Enron to Maddof to trillion dollars bailouts for golden boys). Actually it's more or less the same in Italy, not nobody gives a damn about Italy, because the mob are good with foreign interests, and the US is not competing with Italy for resources anyway.

What's important is that he didn't sell the Russian assets to foreign interests and fuck his own people, like the much beloved to the West Yeltsin did. Foreign interests that would like to be able to grab Russian resources and do as they please in the country have sponsored many a BS campaigns against him, from the classic old "Voice of America" style to modern "NGO" style, to blowing out of proportion BS political opponents that get 1/5 of the votes, if that. Like covering US elections by focusing on some third party fringe candidate.

But that's for the Russians. For everybody else, the even more important thing is: Russia doesn't mess with other countries outside their neighbourhood.

Re:Snowden appeals to 15 countries for political asylum by redthrowaway on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:47PM (#5974181)
Yeltsin did sell off all of Russia's assets to the oligarchs, yes. He did so at the behest of the US, and it was wrong and stupid.

But Putin is nowhere near as rosy as you portray him. Being a nationalist who pines for the days of Stalin may play well in a Russia leery of Western democracy after getting tag teamed by Russia and the US during and after the collapse of the USSR and enduring the poverty and famine that ensued, but it doesn't make you good. Co-opting the Russian Orthodox church into a neo-czarist Church of Putin is hardly the mark of a good leader, either. Nor, for that matter, does murdering people who speak against you.

>Russia doesn't mess with other countries outside their neighbourhood.

Tell that to Georgia. Tell that to the people being murdered and oppressed in Russian client states like Syria and Iran, or Libya before them.

Re:Snowden appeals to 15 countries for political asylum by fierycatnet on Monday July 01, 2013 @07:51PM (#5974595)
Those silly Georgians who decided to have a little genocide in South Osetia, they are so represed by scumbag Russia.
Re:Snowden appeals to 15 countries for political asylum by coldtea on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @10:40AM (#5978063)
>But Putin is nowhere near as rosy as you portray him.

I agree -- but he's still a better choice than the current alternatives. You have to be pragmatic with these things.

>Being a nationalist who pines for the days of Stalin may play well in a Russia leery of Western democracy after getting tag teamed by Russia and the US during and after the collapse of the USSR and enduring the poverty and famine that ensued, but it doesn't make you good. Co-opting the Russian Orthodox church into a neo-czarist Church of Putin is hardly the mark of a good leader, either. Nor, for that matter, does murdering people who speak against you.

Well, it seems the Czarist theme plays well with the Russian population. As some kind of departure from USSR imagery and re-emergence of a "great Russia". And most of them are into the Russian Orthodox church, so that also plays into it. There's also cronyism. But all those are details in the grand scheme of things.

The important is the existence of Russia as an independent and sovereign country, that can protest it's immediate interests and provide a future for it's people -- instead of becoming a destabilized neo-colony.

Russia has a lot of resources and opportunities, and there are a lot of foreign interests that spend a lot of money in order to get their big payback by getting someone malleable like Yeltsin comes into power. Russians have no say whatsoever in the US elections, for example. But tons of political opponents blown out of proportion to serious players by western media, sponsored "NGOs", pro-western think tanks and groups, and "voice of America" type media blather on whenever there are Russian elections, to get some pro-western (interests) guy in power. Putin, whatever BS he is, is also a "fuck you" to those attempts.

>Tell that to Georgia.

Well, that's why I said "outside their neighbourhood". And those people are not exactly role models either.

>Tell that to the people being murdered and oppressed in Russian client states like Syria and Iran, or Libya before them.

I'd tell them, but then again, they'd tell me that their people much preferred the previous situation (in Libya and Syria) than rampant islamists killing everyone, chaos, civil war and massacre). As for Iran, they'd probably tell me that they like it as it is, and they'd be even better if somebody hadn't toppled their legitimate democratic leader to install his lackey, the shah.