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Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by eli_gottlieb on Monday July 01, 2013 @04:19PM (#5973316)
With all respect, moot, 4chan breaks a huge number of laws about copyright protection (half of which were made specifically to illegalize file-sharing, of course). Raiding is certainly malicious, even if you enjoy it.

And I don't think debating morality with the founder of 4chan is productive; if you have a moral sense it must be almost entirely libertarian.

Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by jitl on Monday July 01, 2013 @04:39PM (#5973428)
You should listen to Moot's talks on the subject of 4chan and free speech, which I will link below. As to "raiding," there are exactly zero boards on 4chan where raiding is allowed in the rules: it is globally banned on all boards, even /b/, which is the "no-rules" board.

Many of the 4chan communities are totally moral, from any standards: the cooking board (http://boards.4chan.org/ck) is my favourite board on 4chan, and it's just discussion of tasty eats.

As to copyrighted content, 4chan is the same as any other online message board that allows the embedding of images. 4chan has a staff of volunteer janitors to remove copyrighted content, and a smaller team of moderators to deal with repeat offenders.

Moot talks:

http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_m00t_poole_the_case_for...

http://schedule.sxsw.com/2011/events/event_IAP000001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtTR7hbR3tM

Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by mr_noah on Monday July 01, 2013 @04:34PM (#5973396)
Over 90% of the boards on 4chan are nothing but discussions about the particular subject. The most illegal stuff that happens on these boards is uploading images without permission, yes, it's that bad.

Most people who speak of 4chan in this way, are really just talking about /b/.

Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by eli_gottlieb on Monday July 01, 2013 @05:09PM (#5973567)
No, actually. I don't go to /b/. I can't even follow /b/; I try to keep track of a single thread or meme and it completely gets away from me. But as I said, there are some boards filled with blatant neo-Nazis, some filled with some of the world's more disgusting pornography, blah blah blah.

Now, if you want to call it "the last bastion of freedom [to spread hate ideologies, post loli hentai, etc]", go ahead. However, be clear that you are defending the freedom to commit immoral acts.

4chan is the Mal Reynolds of the internet, not Luke Skywalker.

Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by jlgreco on Monday July 01, 2013 @05:16PM (#5973610)
At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK.

I see no problem with defending freedom of horrible people. Both from an ethical standpoint, and from a pragmatic standpoint (I would rather those people communicate in a way that has some visibility/oversight. You are not going to stop them, only push them underground; I think most would agree that would be a bad thing.)

Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by eli_gottlieb on Monday July 01, 2013 @05:30PM (#5973694)
At various times in history the ACLU has defended the KKK.

Yes, and? If you actually believe in free speech, calling someone a Horrible Person is not a disguised argument for shutting them down.

4chan is full of really horrible people. Sometimes I am one of them. This doesn't mean they should be shut down by the government or something. However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness.

Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by jlgreco on Monday July 01, 2013 @05:56PM (#5973846)
> However, it also doesn't mean they're Glorious Heroes Fighting For Righteousness.

Who is arguing that?

Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @03:24AM (#5976308)
Seemingly everyone here who claims, against all evidence, that 4chan has a good moral character.

Now surely everyone is going to yell that they're just protecting their beloved web from censorship. However, since I never proposed censorship, that means most of them are arguing against the evil, censorious Congressman in their own heads, rather than against anything I actually said.

Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by indlebe on Monday July 01, 2013 @05:53PM (#5973837)
I think that less people would have problems with your comment if you stated that you were an oldfriend right off the bat.
Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by mhurron on Monday July 01, 2013 @06:36PM (#5974098)
File: 0000000.png-(327 KB, 187×155, donald-sutherland-body-snatchers.jpg)

> oldfriend

Hey wait a minute ...

CENSORSHIP

Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @03:26AM (#5976317)
But I'm not an oldfriend. I've only been making intermittent visits to 4chan for a couple of years now.
Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by c0bra on Monday July 01, 2013 @04:37PM (#5973416)
I think you fail to understand something : There are all kinds of people on 4chan. And dont come saying "laws about copyright protection" cause that is not a "crack house" .
Re:4chan now offers self-serve advertising starting at $20 by indlebe on Monday July 01, 2013 @04:30PM (#5973377)
* * (censored to protect feelings)