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Re:First-ever human head transplant is now possible, says ne... by akiselev on Monday July 01, 2013 @03:33PM (#5973033)
So you install a motherboard into a processor?
Re:First-ever human head transplant is now possible, says ne... by nsxwolf on Monday July 01, 2013 @04:19PM (#5973314)
If you feel your identity is as trivial and interchangeable as a computer's CPU, be my guest. I don't think you'll get the result you're looking for.
Re:First-ever human head transplant is now possible, says ne... by akiselev on Monday July 01, 2013 @05:27PM (#5973680)
You were arguing semantics, so was I.

We do now know nearly enough about the brain to understand what "identity" is for us to speculate on whether a brain transplant would mean losing part of it, let alone actually perform a successful brain transplant in a human.

Re:First-ever human head transplant is now possible, says ne... by Sharlin on Monday July 01, 2013 @05:57PM (#5973851)
http://lesswrong.com/lw/kj/no_one_knows_what_science_doesnt_...

I'm rather certain that we know enough about brains to confindently say that all the higher functions of the central nervous system quite definitely reside in the brain, and specifically in the neocortex, not in the spinal cord or anywhere else.

Re:First-ever human head transplant is now possible, says ne... by akiselev on Monday July 01, 2013 @08:42PM (#5974879)
There is a reason I said "identity" with the quotes, not higher functions. I have no doubt a well funded enough project can transplant a human brain into a different body and "weld" the nervous systems to restore basic cognitive and motor functions in the next few decades.

What I mean by identity is an understanding of how "you" as a person are formed by phenomena emerging from very complex biological system. For example, I have a very bad feeling in my stomach when I do something I am ashamed of. I'm 99% certain that the neurons in my stomach have little to do with this feeling and it's "all in my head," but we really know for certain how our brain chemistry, our mood, our reactions are shaped by the chemical and hormonal functions of the rest of the body? You are, afterall, combining two separate genetic lines, is there no possibility for a neural rejection like graft-versus-host?

Re:First-ever human head transplant is now possible, says ne... by nsxwolf on Monday July 01, 2013 @10:04PM (#5975291)
I will grant that transplants get us into weird territory. It was just in the last decade or so when the first larynx transplant was done did we learn that the recipient has his original voice restored and doesn't gain that of the donor's. The outcome was really in question at the time.

Perhaps the new body does feed back some changes into the brain, but overall we still have a cortex with the original memories, etc as a starting point.

Re:First-ever human head transplant is now possible, says ne... by akiselev on Tuesday July 02, 2013 @01:28AM (#5976009)
And weird territory is what humanity is all about :)

Do you have a link to the larynx transplant paper? That sounds fascinating. I was actually more thinking about very understood practical lines like I know my personality is drastically different (according to friends) on certain medications. With the role even common hormones like testosterone have and the various feedback loops that could come down to the genetics of body cell lines, I can't imagine a person's personality not changing, at least in a time/environment dependent way. Seasonal depressive disorders come to mind, as those seem to have partially somatic causes.

Another interesting question is to what degree does the body (i.e. muscle memory) assist or modify how memories are "pulled up" and processed? Perhaps there will be random unavoidable "corruptions" in the fusing process that result in the signals for stimuli changing (i.e. sensitivity to heat and cold is probably somatic) and the brain pulling up inappropriate emotions or responses?

Is it still your identity if chemical mismatches change your interpretation of your memories over the long term or are you now a hybrid that, due to the transplant, has the extreme fortune of experiencing life and even epistemology in an entirely different way?