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Re:Snowden: US hacks Chinese mobile phone companies, steals ... by philwelch on Saturday June 22, 2013 @01:19PM (#5924381)
A much more charitable reading is that Obama is a patsy and the President isn't really in charge.

Far-fetched? No President could unseat Hoover. Why would any intelligence and surveillance apparatus be any less self-preserving?

Re:Snowden: US hacks Chinese mobile phone companies, steals ... by fnordfnordfnord on Saturday June 22, 2013 @01:36PM (#5924442)
>No President could unseat Hoover.

This, despite Hoover's lifestyle (not that there's anything wrong with it, but there was then). Why do so many people scoff at the notion that the intelligence agencies of the US could be up to no good? I mean, it isn't disputed that Hoover was an SOB, a scoundrel who used his office's resources to extort basically anyone he could. That's conspiracy fact. And it went on for years.

Re:Snowden: US hacks Chinese mobile phone companies, steals ... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday June 22, 2013 @07:54PM (#5925640)
Hoover was also incredibly effective, at least earlier on...so he had a lot of political support within the government and within congress. The president is only one chamber of power, people tend to forget that. Its nice to fixate on Obama, but the whole government is in on this...congress, judges, state government, local government, and even...I dare say...much of the citizenry.