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Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by austenallred on Saturday June 22, 2013 @10:27AM (#5923669)
Yes, but honestly that's OK. It's a small step, but for the president to have to come out and say, "I recognize that a significant number of the American people support this man who is convicted of espionage, but..." is a pretty novel thing.
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by melling on Saturday June 22, 2013 @11:23AM (#5923894)
100,000 isn't a significant number of people. You are living in a HN echo chamber. I'm not sure most Americans care.

I'd love to know exactly what the NSA is doing. There needs to be some sort of oversight, of course, but they certainly have a job to do. I recently heard former President Clinton talk about it and he was somewhat convincing that there are certain restrictions.

At any rate, aren't we venturing into politics and opinions?

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by jedberg on Saturday June 22, 2013 @01:46PM (#5924485)
> I'm not sure most Americans care.

And of those that do care, a majority feel that he committed treason and needs to be brought to justice.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/17/cnn-poll-maj...

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by mpyne on Saturday June 22, 2013 @02:46PM (#5924705)
That's one reason I feel Snowden has hurt his cause by digging in for so much.

Another leak or two (especially about China, who most Americans feel are one step away from being the next U.S.S.R. anyways) and Obama, DNI, Congress, and basically everyone will be able to smooth the whole thing over by painting it with the traitor brush.

I really think Snowden has tried to bite off more than he can chew. At first I believed him that he wanted a debate about how the NSA was being used and how dangerous it could be in the wrong hands. Now I think he really wants to gut the whole thing entirely.

But Americans don't want that, they want an agency whose job it is to protect COMSEC, break others' COMSEC and especially to detect and root out terror cells and other anti-U.S. crime before it reaches our shores. The more Snowden aligns his goals with the destruction of the NSA and CIA the more I think he will get people to turn on him completely.

Don't get me wrong; I want that utopia where no one commits crime, we don't need money, everyone's interested are 100% aligned and we just explore the galaxy as peaceful peoples. But if we ever achieve that it would be 1000 times more remarkable than the Sistine Chapel. And you can bet your ass they wouldn't have completed the Sistine Chapel had they torn down all that ugly scaffolding â…“rd of the way through.

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by cpleppert on Saturday June 22, 2013 @03:15PM (#5924797)
What is hurting his cause is a) making this about him and continuing to talk so we don't have to address the issues and b) releasing a lot of information that doesn't have to do with domestic intelligence (china, g8 spying etc) distracting people even more and turning the public against himc) refusing to talk about what technical capabilities the NSA has and framing the conversation, instead; we see releases of information (PRISM) that are immediately followed by a rush to figure out the actual capabilities of the program, this confuses the public and muddles the waters even more

Snowden should have released the slide and then explained exactly what is wrong with the program. Instead, he did a document dump and followed that up by giving a reveal all interview that shifts the focus from the NSA onto him and his motivations. Snowden still hasn't addressed what he technically knows about PRISM.

He also claimed in his interview he could get access to the presidents email. If he thought that was a big issue he should have gone into detail about it for reporters(the target list, how he could do it as a network administrator etc.) and supported his charge. Instead, it is a one off statement in the context of a long interview where he essentially lays out a political reasoning for why he has done what he did. Snowden still hasn't addressed any of the issues of concern about the NSA and the (lack of)oversight exercised over the agency and its programs.

He had a perfect opportunity to put his concerns before the public and I feel he blew it.

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by general_failure on Saturday June 22, 2013 @05:00PM (#5925131)
Yeah that's one thing I don't from yet. Why he is not giving any technical information about prism. I can only conclude he doesn't really know much about it. Maybe he got hold off this one slide deck and jumped to conclusions.
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by orblivion on Saturday June 22, 2013 @02:08PM (#5924558)
Don't forget that's still 44% of people who care.
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by coldtea on Saturday June 22, 2013 @12:20PM (#5924132)
>At any rate, aren't we venturing into politics and opinions?

Because politics and opinions are something they do in Washington and they don't affect our lives / the tech scene?

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by general_failure on Saturday June 22, 2013 @05:01PM (#5925136)
Because most people in tech, talk about politics without good understanding.
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by mpyne on Saturday June 22, 2013 @11:55AM (#5924027)
What else is HN supposed to be for, tech startups and self-improvement tips?
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by melling on Saturday June 22, 2013 @12:21PM (#5924134)
HN doesn't have tags and filters. Isn't reddit a better forum? If we fill the front page with "NSA stories", politics, opinion pieces, etc., it will drown everything else out.

As a community we can be anything we want it to be. The majority will decide.

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by meowface on Saturday June 22, 2013 @10:42AM (#5923726)
I'm sure he does realize it already, as does the DoJ and NSA. It doesn't matter to them. If you leak Top Secret material it better be something as damning as the assassination of a politician or anything along those lines, else you won't be shown any mercy by the government.

It's really just a matter of "50 years, or life without parole" at this point.

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by austenallred on Saturday June 22, 2013 @10:47AM (#5923742)
Exactly. Which is why the petition matters - it forces a response from the White House. (Obama promised to respond to each petition that reaches 100,000 signatures)
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by mscarborough on Saturday June 22, 2013 @11:55AM (#5924025)
These petitions don't really seem to matter -- there are plenty without a response. Previously, the administration "promised" to respond to all w/ 25,000 signatures. Now it's 100k.

What policies have been affected in any way by these things? Takes about 5 seconds to sign one once you have an account, so the results seem to be pretty close to the effort it requires from the public.

Voted for Obama twice but he's just as much of a liar as any other politician.

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by betterunix on Saturday June 22, 2013 @01:01PM (#5924301)
"Voted for Obama twice but he's just as much of a liar as any other politician."

Then why did you vote for him? You had a lot of other options:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_...

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by mscarborough on Saturday June 22, 2013 @01:46PM (#5924483)
Not to be off-topic but because you asked...

Because the only other real options for P/VP in 2008 and 2012 were even scarier to me each time, and I live in a swing state. I also wasn't wowed by the third party candidates (but have voted for third party candidates before).

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by thenewkid on Saturday June 22, 2013 @12:37PM (#5924198)
The petitions are a good way to gather a list of names for analysis at a later date... just saying!
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by maratd on Saturday June 22, 2013 @11:19AM (#5923877)
> it forces a response from the White House.

It doesn't force anything. They don't have to respond and they usually don't, when it's not convenient for them. It's just a user-created poll on their website.

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by betterunix on Saturday June 22, 2013 @12:59PM (#5924288)
"Obama promised"

After all that has happened, it amazes me that anyone would put any value on a promise made by President Obama.

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by ashleyblackmore on Saturday June 22, 2013 @11:19AM (#5923881)
Obama promised a lot of things (and didn't act upon those promises)!
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by mkr-hn on Saturday June 22, 2013 @11:57AM (#5924035)
One-line posts rarely contribute anything. This is an off-topic jab with no support. Even examples and support for each would not make this post appropriate since this submission is about the petition, not the progress Obama has made on his promises.
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by serf on Saturday June 22, 2013 @04:31PM (#5925052)
and you're doing such a good job of policing the rest of the thread , too!

The petition site was implemented by Obama's cabinet. It was made as a way to make it seem as if his cabinet was more technologically savyy than others(along with "THE FIRST PRESIDENT WITH A SMARTPHONE!"), and allowed for people to think that the platform would increase transparency in governance.

Obama's cabinet decides how to respond to petitions. I think the parent of your reply, although simple in its' phrasing, is pertinent to the discussion at hand.

Ones' history does play out in the judgment that people make, and the fact that the President has broken OTHER promises is probably good reason to suspect his intentions in the future (such as the promise of a real reply@100k)

Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by pavanred on Saturday June 22, 2013 @11:57AM (#5924032)
And was awarded a Nobel prize..
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by comefrom30 on Saturday June 22, 2013 @12:03PM (#5924063)
I'm not sure you have to be an American to sign these petitions.
Re:Petition to pardon Edward Snowden reaches 100,000 signatures by yannis on Saturday June 22, 2013 @01:01PM (#5924299)
You mean "suspected" of espionage.