None. Look at all politically-motivated violent attacks that deliberately or recklessly affected civilians; all of them were done by people who would be uninfluenced by any detail of due process in the US.

No sane person tries to blow up an airplane over NSA surveillance.

I think James Clapper should be fired, that we need to reevaluate the FISA court system, and (most radically) that NSA needs to be transitioned back into a foreign intelligence agency and be firewalled off from domestic law enforcement.

I don't think we should try to get there by making arguments that 99% of Americans will immediately reject, in part because even people who are sympathetic to the problem of an overreaching NSA will disagree strongly with them.

>No sane person tries to blow up an airplane

You could have stopped there.

No, I don't think so.

Oh hey tptacek it looks like you've shifted your opinion on this whole NSA scandal a bit over the past couple days to be less skeptical and more in line with the rest of HN. Was there any particular story that made you change your mind?

My opinion hasn't changed at all. I don't want to make another thread about me, so if you have more questions, you can ping me via email.

If the NSA is going to be the CIA, who is the CIA going to be?

NSA is signals, CIA is analysis and human intelligence. I don't think NSA has "agents".

Without endorsing spying, there's a large moral gap between eavesdropping on someone's telephone calls and killing people.