More Americans see man who leaked NSA secrets as 'patriot' than traitor

Re:More Americans see man who leaked NSA secrets as 'patriot... by skwirl on Wednesday June 12, 2013 @09:51PM (#5871850)

In your first paragraph, you seem to assert that this program is as The Guardian reported (that is - essentially unfettered access to private data stored with tech companies). In your second paragraph, you seem to admit that we don't really know and there is more to be resolved.

Ultimately, I think you are talking past the person you are replying to. You are arguing that the program as reported by The Guardian (essentially unfettered access to personal data stored with tech companies) is horrible. He is arguing that the program is not what it is being made out to be, and the differences between what it is now popularly believed to be and what it is are tremendous. That is a more fundamental argument that would make the other argument moot if it is true.

See: https://medium.com/prism-truth/82a1791c94d3

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Re:More Americans see man who leaked NSA secrets as 'patriot... by discostrings on Wednesday June 12, 2013 @09:55PM (#5871859)

No--my points stand even on the basis of just the phone record collection.

The questions about Prism just add more to potentially be worried about.

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Re:More Americans see man who leaked NSA secrets as 'patriot... by skwirl on Wednesday June 12, 2013 @10:00PM (#5871877)

We're all going to need to be specific with what we're talking about or we really are talking past each other.

I think that right now the vast majority of the outrage here is over PRISM, although, if PRISM turns out to be a non-issue, I'm sure the outrage will simply migrate to the phone records issue.

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