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There is something about AI related posts that makes it irresistible for people to post a “rebuttal” that actually makes the same claim as the original post just with different vibes. It feels like a lot of discourse is spent on setting the vibe over actually adding anything to the conversation.
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I'm having a really hard time seeing how this letter could conceivably be perceived as persuasive. In fact, this letter makes it clear that the people behind it are seeking to maintain their previously entrenched power, prestige, and control over a field of human knowledge. And they are going about it in a futile and debasing way.
This is out of date. They didn’t like to be referred to as gambling companies when it was just daily fantasy sports. There was legitimate debate as to how much of daily fantasy sports was skill and that mattered to its legality in many states. There’s no debate over whether sportsbook betting is gambling.
This was something I fully realized when I got married. Where is the official record that we are married? It’s a piece of paper in a filing cabinet in a small town two states away. Unless I provide a copy of my license, there is no way for anyone to see for sure if I’m married except to go to every jurisdiction nationally and see if they have a marriage license that matches my info. You could try to infer it from something like tax returns, but the IRS has never actually validated that I’m married. They just take my word for it unless they have a reason to be suspicious.
If one or both of the two who just got married wants to change their name? The process is downright bizarre. There is no central name database you go update. You just send off forms to a bunch of places saying “this is my name now,” some with a copy of your marriage license.
Very strange system IMO.
Oracle also has a vested interest in defending an expansive view of intellectual property rights. They lean very heavily on litigation as part of their business model and will want to reserve the right to sue anyone generating software that competes with theirs when the model may have been trained on anything they hold the copyright to.
If they held here that it is OK to use LLM generated code for OpenJDK it could kill these cases later as they will have established that they believe it is fair use.
The vast majority of what I see out there is relentlessly negative about AI. It is kind of absurd to call this the "alternative" unless the implication is that the rest of AI skeptical writing is not "well-argued."
> The real question is, who can verify that what the AI built is good and true? Recently, there's a lot of talk about AI allegedly finding security flaws in software. That is an unsubstantiated claim. As such, it would need to be verified by a non-machine, and arguably, the verification process would require the same amount of effort or more than would be required to find the issue to begin with.
Came for the bad AI take, stayed for the P=NP claim.
It is crazy to me that any parent of young children would let their kids watch YouTube videos on their own. Maybe this happened gradually enough that some parents didn't notice, but we had our first kid a couple years ago and I nope'd out of YouTube pretty quickly when I saw what was there. Even the channels known for being good - which we occasionally let the kids watch as long as we were present and choosing the videos - started to clearly optimize for engagement over quality, and so now we're done with it entirely. The stuff there for "kids" legitimately horrifies me.
You have joined a year and a half ago, have low activity, and 74 karma.
OP has been here for over a decade and has loads of activity.
You aren't in a position to post this.
This is even more misleading. You have to eat to live, but absolutely not all water usage for food is mandatory.
If you gave me a budget of how much water I could "use" water every year, and I was close to going over, I could easily pay for my annual AI use just by changing what I eat for lunch on a day or two. I could pay for years of AI use just by forgoing buying a new pair of jeans.
The water argument has always felt so intellectually dishonest to me because it's never approached from the perspective of "hey, we're using too much water, how can we conserve it?" If we approached it from that perspective, reducing AI usage would not even crack the the top 100 list of things we would do. But that's not the goal of the water argument, because it quite obviously actually has nothing to do with water.
This is a HN comment reply masquerading as a novel submission.
It is wild that people are still posting this kind of thing in 2026. Some folks really are living in a different world.
We’re reaching “Don’t Look Up” levels of denial about the impact of AI on this site.
This thread is a great discussion and I have kept coming back to it over the last couple days to read more of it when I have a chance. I’m kind of disappointed that it artificially ended. I think at some useful comment threshold level you just have to let it go.
>But it shouldn't matter if he gave 5 bullets to Chat gpt that expanded it to a full page with a detailed plan.
The coworker should just give me the five bullet points they put into ChatGPT. I can trivially dump it into ChatGPT or any other LLM myself to turn it into a "plan."
On this topic I think it’s pretty off base to call HN a “well insulated bubble” - AI skepticism and outright hate is pretty common here and AI negative comments often get a lot of support. This thread itself offers plenty of examples.
Surely we all know that when we post or upvote comments like this that we are being incredibly disingenuous.
The database is being reverse engineered and published anyways, as per the article.
They are useful for putting URLs in print materials like books. Useful for sharing very long links in IRC and some other text based chat apps (many google maps links would span multiple IRC lines if not shortened, for example). They are good for making more easily scannable QR codes.
Not when everyone logs in as ec2-user.
So not being able to download any of the games you have purchased ever again?
The major difference is that in the type of reading Joel Splosky is talking about, you are coming in not knowing the code's intent. It was written by one or more other people at some point in the past, likely with many iterative changes over a period of time. Figuring out the intent in this case is 90%+ of the work. With LLM generated code, you know the intent. You just told the assistant exactly what your intent was. It's much, much easier to read code that you already know the intent of.
Again, implicit in this comment is the belief that I am out to or need to convince you of something. You would be the only person who would benefit from that. I don’t gain anything from it. All I get out of this is having insulting comments about my “skill level” posted by someone who knows nothing about me.
It doesn’t really matter what this or that person said six months ago or what they are saying today. This morning I used cursor to write something in under an hour that previously would have taken me a couple of days. That is what matters to me. I gain nothing from posting about my experience here. I’ve got nothing to sell and nothing to prove.
You write like this is some grand debate you are engaging in and trying to win. But to people on what you see as the other side, there is no debate. The debate is over.
You drag your feet at your own peril.
Do you just mean within Amazon? Because outside of Amazon, there was major resistance to AWS/cloud computing in general from older devs highly invested in the status quo. I have spent a significant amount of effort in my career fighting for cloud adoption.
Nobody going to the sphere is expecting the 1939 theater experience. And nobody has truly had that experience for 85 years in any case. This movie is 10 years from being in the public domain, and would have been decades ago if not for the lobbying of moneyed interests. Perhaps it's time to stop clutching pearls and, if you don't like what they are doing at the sphere, just don't go see it.
>This was given to the AI by having it watch a video that explains it.
That is not what the article says. It says that was separate, previous research.
Nobody has any idea if they broke any EU laws until regulatory agencies and courts arbitrarily interpret the laws based on their political views pertaining to the companies in question. These are agencies that will suddenly have a new interpretation of a law after more than a decade and go after companies retroactively for something they had previously been fine with. It’s essentially a dolled up version of tariffs.
I strongly suspect the EU will not find that companies must retrain models in response to GDPR requests because 1. It would destroy Mistral, one of the few beacons of hope in EU tech and 2. It would put Europeans and European companies at huge disadvantages in not being able to use these tools.
As an American software engineer I would only benefit from Europe banning these products as it would put a large segment of the low cost labor force at a huge disadvantage relative to me, so I am not really bothered by the possibility of them doing it. It would be a very interesting experiment.