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Re:NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor by varjag on Wednesday June 12, 2013 @04:36AM (#5867121)
> Personally, I don't believe that the majority of people want to commit serious crimes but are only held back by the fact that if they did, they would be punished. Because of that belief, I don't believe that eliminating security would cause an increase of bad behavior.

You don't need "majority", you need just a handful of really really bad ones.

Re:NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor by jetti on Wednesday June 12, 2013 @10:40AM (#5868294)
But the current system, with all of the "security" it provides, already has a handful of really really bad people that commit crimes. So why should I give up freedoms to try and stop these bad people when despite everything, crime still happens?
Re:NSA leaker is a patriot, not a traitor by varjag on Wednesday June 12, 2013 @11:39AM (#5868643)
I'm not sure what you argue exactly. That policing has no effect on crime rates?

The modern state we have is here not to build Heaven on Earth, but to avoid Hell. Eliminating all crime is impossible, but without state intervention you end up with Somalia, Afghanistan or post-Katrina New Orleans.