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Re:Tech companies, bristling, concede to government surveill... by tptacek on Saturday June 08, 2013 @12:00AM (#5843730)
Are you fucking kidding me? No, that's not within 100 miles of the truth.
Re:Tech companies, bristling, concede to government surveill... by grandalf on Saturday June 08, 2013 @12:01AM (#5843732)
counterexample?
Re:Tech companies, bristling, concede to government surveill... by tptacek on Saturday June 08, 2013 @12:01AM (#5843734)
I'm going to with "Entire Vietnam War" on that. No, wait: how about the Sandinista war, which was so well concealed nobody even fucking knew it happened.

You think terrorists drove us mad with fear, try actually reading some of the history of the 20th century and imagine what we would have done, in an era before our modern feeling of entitlement to privacy and to open dissent, when our enemy was vast, spectacularly well-armed, beat us into space, and had nuclear missiles pointed in our face.

The compass points towards liberty, but sometimes we walk east, or west, or, during the Kennedy and Nixon and Reagan administrations, fucking south.

Re:Tech companies, bristling, concede to government surveill... by einhverfr on Saturday June 08, 2013 @12:46AM (#5843845)
But there were some very courageous people who did openly dissent. My mother's uncle (John Caughlan) was first kicked out of his law firm and shortly thereafter the ACLU for standing up and saying that the Communist Party USA had Constitutional rights too and they should be defended (and defend them he did for which he earned a year in prison but did not lose his license to practice law and continued the fight pretty much up until his death).

There is an interesting interview with him at http://depts.washington.edu/labhist/cpproject/caughlan_inter...

It is worth noting that our strong protections of open dissent were specifically created by the court in response to very dramatic overreaches by the government.

Re:Tech companies, bristling, concede to government surveill... by grandalf on Saturday June 08, 2013 @12:03AM (#5843740)
Fair point. However the public actually dissented due to Vietnam, which indicates that the propaganda effort was unsuccessful. In today's world, consent has been effectively manufactured.
Re:Tech companies, bristling, concede to government surveill... by tptacek on Saturday June 08, 2013 @12:05AM (#5843746)
Twas. Ever. Thus. They protested Vietnam, and sometimes the National Guard mowed them down with assault rifles.

The notion that protesters ended the Vietnam war is also ahistorical, a fiction designed to flatter the boomers.

Re:Tech companies, bristling, concede to government surveill... by grandalf on Saturday June 08, 2013 @12:09AM (#5843758)
FWIW I don't foresee any significant protest or dissent over the surveillance state.
Re:Tech companies, bristling, concede to government surveill... by tptacek on Saturday June 08, 2013 @12:15AM (#5843768)
All three branches of government appear to have overwhelmingly agreed on the new monitoring schemes. We're walking west by northwest; not south. I agree, though, we need to turn northward.