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Re:U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls by irishcoffee on Thursday June 06, 2013 @11:44AM (#5833100)
> How many people in the US have ever been killed as a result of a terrorist attack? Over all time the number is on the order of a few thousand.

Maybe because they're doing a much more effective job than we realize. Also I don't think you accounted for Pearl Harbor.

> And finally, shouldn't we consider that people like Ron Paul have a point, that a lot of the hatred for the US...

I think this is common misconception. I do not think the vast majority of the world hates the US. I'd be curious to see facts about this.

Re:U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls by mindcrime on Thursday June 06, 2013 @12:00PM (#5833208)
Maybe because they're doing a much more effective job than we realize.

Maybe. Unfortunately there's no real way to say. I mean, if I offer you a "tiger proof rock" and say that it protects against tiger attacks, will you accept as evidence, the fact that I've never been attacked by a tiger?

Also I don't think you accounted for Pearl Harbor.

No, I didn't. I don't think most people put that under "terrorist attack", as it was an overt action by an organized nation-state as part of an active military strategy. The Japanese weren't just trying to "sow terror", it was a tactical objective to weaken the US Navy so they wouldn't be able to impede Japanese objectives in the Pacific during WWII.

I do not think the vast majority of the world hates the US. I'd be curious to see facts about this.

I don't think the argument is that the majority of the world hates us (although it might be fair to say that a majority aren't terribly fond of us), but rather that - of the groups which are actively engaging in terrorist attacks directed out way - those groups are motivated by our foreign policy. I admit this view is not without controversy.

Re:U.S. Is Secretly Collecting Records of Verizon Calls by chimeracoder on Thursday June 06, 2013 @03:00PM (#5834483)
> No, I didn't. I don't think most people put that under "terrorist attack", as it was an overt action by an organized nation-state as part of an active military strategy.

Also, Hawaii at the time was not even a state.

The US actually hasn't fought a war on it's own soil since 1812.

(It HAS had numerous terrorist attacks on foreign soil, however - the Beirut barracks bombings in 1983 would be but one example. In fact, 9/11 was not really an isolated incident, but the next progression in a number of terrorist attacks against the US. It just happened to be the biggest one and the first one on US soil (not counting the failed 1993 WTC bombing)).