Re:Letter To A Young Programmer Considering A Startup
by franciscoprat on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @10:51PM
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A manager can be a mentor regardless of the type of organization. What is important if you want to improve a particular skill set is that the people that are managing you truly understand what it takes to do your job well and can provide feedback on what you are not doing well from a "do-ers" perspective - more of an apprenticeship model.
I have personally found that mentors are great for career advice and resolving questions, but never have enough "skin in the game" to invest their time in my development.
Re:Letter To A Young Programmer Considering A Startup
by jcampbell1 on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @11:19PM
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I used the word mentor incorrectly. What you want is peer teachers, not mentors. Mentors by the corporate definition are largely useless. You contact them 1-2 per month at best, which is pointless.
What you want is a person that observes your code, behavior, interactions, demeanor, etc., and tells you how to do better. It is impossible to have perfect introspection. You need to find a guide more than the corporate definition of "mentor". People need apprentice masters more than mentors, I wish I had used a better term.
Re:Letter To A Young Programmer Considering A Startup
by RockyMcNuts on Thursday May 30, 2013 @08:57AM
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that's pretty much what I meant... if you've just graduated that person is not really your 'peer', maybe not your 'boss' either ... a lot of times real world roles and relationships don't line up with org charts.
Re:Letter To A Young Programmer Considering A Startup
by RockyMcNuts on Thursday May 30, 2013 @08:36AM
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interesting... After about 3 years I agree. But a first job, someone's got to show you the ropes and get you up to speed with processes, testing, coding standards, help you get unstuck from time to time. I guess by boss I don't necessarily mean team manager, but whoever that is, mentor, direct senior. If nobody has that role, you'd better be pretty self-directed. 'Flat' better not be a synonym for free-for-all with no process, standards, code review, or you might learn some bad habits if you're not a natural (and even then.)
I get high from learning no matter whether the people are assholes or teachers. Most people need good mentors that are not managers. Any organization where managers have time to teach are too hierarchical.