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Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by keiferski on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @05:36PM (#5782990)
I find it amusing how people want beautiful architecture, good weather, nice greenery, and so on, but don't make the next step and want people (including themselves) to dress better. Clothes are just another facet of visual culture.

That's how you get tourists with sweatpants and fanny packs outside the Florence Duomo.

Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by sliverstorm on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:04PM (#5783156)
Personally I suspect the disconnect centers around utility. Beautiful architecture can be beautifully functional too. Good weather is pretty, and also comfortable. Greenery is pretty, and cleans the air.

Semi-formal and formal wear are practically the antithesis of functional and comfortable.

Personally, I have been making an effort to dress up a step or two, but I have to balance this against carrying more changes of clothes for my various activities outside of work.

Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by npsimons on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:11PM (#5783189)
As a style averse geek I hate myself for saying this, but it really depends. I've never been able to convince myself to go spend at the highest levels (bespoke from Saville row, for instance), but it's supposed to be more comfortable than casual clothing. When I have splurged a bit on nicer clothing, I have found that even a little more quality in clothing can make the difference between stiff and comfortable. It makes sense that better fit and higher quality would be more comfortable. There was a fairly good discussion about this on HN a while back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4476397
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by sliverstorm on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:15PM (#5783216)
Oh, I don't mean "formal wear can never be comfortable". I was thinking more of, for example, how I would melt in 100-degree weather in an old-fashioned wool suit. Also, I'm really more concerned with utility/durability than comfort- I mentioned comfort only in passing. My lifestyle tends to be a little rough on clothes.

You're certainly right though, quality material and a cut that fits you well is fantastic. I have a few nice polos that I got tailored as an experiment, and they are now some of my favorite shirts. I would have more tailored, but it's $20 a pop and that's only if the shirt already fits me fairly well- which most shirts don't.

Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by npsimons on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:23PM (#5783267)
I'll give you the climate argument :) But I would think that higher quality materials and construction would also result in longer lasting products. As I don't wear my formal stuff very often, I couldn't personally say. But the flip side of custom fit is that if your body changes, it's no longer going to fit. On the gripping hand, custom fit is fairly well known for being something that can be tailored to fit, repeatedly. As for utility, I've got some suit jackets that have more pockets than my rugged wilderness parkas; then again, I wouldn't wear either kind of jacket bouldering or biking either ;)
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by sliverstorm on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:30PM (#5783294)
I would think that higher quality materials and construction would also result in longer lasting products.

It's a question of construction decisions, not quality. For example, what fabric does it use? My denim jeans hold up to falls, rock, and dirt much better than light cotton slacks. What is the stitching pattern? Are there reinforcements? That sort of thing.

if your body changes, it's no longer going to fit.

Yup, I've been running into that problem. Thankfully the "problem" is that my biceps are stretching my sleeves, so I can feel good about said "problem".

Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by overgryphon on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:20PM (#5783250)
An old-fashioned wool suit would never be appropriate in 100-degree weather. Formal-wear doesn't necessarily mean wool (which also doesn't mean heavy. Wool can be very light and summery). The point is less to dress more formally and more to dress more appropriately for the occasion.
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by solarmist on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:59PM (#5783425)
In 100 degree weather you should be wearing a linen or seersucker suit not a wool one. It makes a huge difference.

Being rough on clothes is another matter altogether though.

Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by grimlck on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:09PM (#5783180)
If your suit isn't comfortable, then you are wearing the wrong size and should get it tailored.
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by Fishkins on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:14PM (#5783209)
I really doubt there's any full suit that isn't unbearably hot for me. I'm often wearing a t-shirt and shorts complaining about the heat while others are wearing sweaters and shivering. Casual attire gives you a range of options, whereas formal dress seems to always require layers.
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by lotsofcows on Wednesday May 29, 2013 @04:02AM (#5785185)
My tailored suit is uncomfortable.

It requires three layers when often one is more than sufficient. It comes with a noose that fits tightly around my neck. It comes with shoes that have no grip. To keep the cuffs just-so, one wears tight bands just below the bicep. The pockets are easily distended and thus barely useable (I miss the 80s, when a distended suit pocket was the sign of that most ugly of status symbols, the mobile 'phone). Easily smutted, one must carry an umbrella or yet another layer to protect it from the rain.

Still, it pays well...

Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by stouset on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:13PM (#5783207)
Cost of t-shirt: $15. Cost of perfectly-tailored suit: $x.

Solve for `x < 20`.

Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by overgryphon on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:46PM (#5783363)
If it is appropriate for you to wear a suit for an occasion (outside of church, weddings, and funerals), then you are likely making enough from the position to pay for the suit.
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by Fishkins on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @08:07PM (#5783714)
This doesn't apply to me, but couldn't this be a catch-22? To get a job/social status where you're making good money, you need to get a suit, but you need the money for a suit in order to get that job.

Also, you could just be averse to a perceived waste of money, even if you could afford it (my case).

Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by sliverstorm on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @10:45PM (#5784270)
It isn't a catch-22 so much- you don't need to be making banker money to dress like a banker, so you can climb the ladder over time.
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by jamesaguilar on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:14PM (#5783210)
They may have used to be true, but nowadays with fine wool, it really isn't any more. And let's face it, the level of improvement many of us engineers need to take is not to suits, but even to wearing something nicer than a t-shirt and loose jeans.
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by overgryphon on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:42PM (#5783348)
It isn't appropriate as a software developer to wear a suit to work. It often isn't even appropriate in an interview as a software developer to wear a suit. It looks ridiculous to wear a suit jacket when the next few layers of your management chain are wearing board shorts and sandals.

Instead, the ideal seems to be to tread a fine line between casual wear and formal wear. Properly fitted clothing is important here- a suit is too formal, loose jeans a bit sloppy, but dark jeans that are tailored to fit are perfect.

This makes shopping in the women's section very difficult- I usually find casual-wear for women a bit inappropriate for work (clothing is often too sheer and unlined, too clingy, or necklines too low), and clothing marketed as office-wear would make most assume I was a secretary or in advertising/human resources/ect. A mixture seems to work well. Rather than dressing up casual clothing, I find more success dressing down nicer pieces. For example, a nice dress with a denim jacket or a silk blouse with jeans and flats.

My male friends seem to have a similar problem shopping, in which clothes that are made for casual wear are more casual than they would like, but then there is a huge gap from casual to much too formal. Men's clothing doesn't have the problem of many causal clothes being too revealing, but there is also quite a bit less variety available.

TLDR: Ramble about trying to find appropriate software developer wardrobe that has nothing to do with the above comment. Sorry.

Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by jamesaguilar on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @07:37PM (#5783594)
Button downs (especially oxfords) with very dark wash, slim-fit jeans and brown leather or canvas shoes seems to be what the more fashionable of my coworkers all wear. You can put together a full week's worth of these kind of clothes for about $300 without any sales and with only a few hours invested. I'm just getting started on this fashion project myself (at 28, I've wasted so much time), so I'm not an authority, but that's what I've been observing so far.
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by natesm on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @07:14PM (#5783496)
Men can wear the same OCBD with shorts or with a casual suit, I don't think there's really a formality gap issue in menswear.
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by Mankhool on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:26PM (#5783281)
Here, here! Quoting Linda Grant, "Dressing down, ubiquitously known as “being comfortable”, says that you don’t care about how you look, as if your appearance were an entirely private matter that has nothing to do with anyone else. It’s the exact opposite: what you wear is part of the visible environment, as relevant as the architecture, the decor, the food on the table, the scents in the air."
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by anchorsteam on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:05PM (#5783161)
Americans might think it superficial or an infringement of individuality to criticise dress, but in other parts of the world the concern is for others. Putting oneself together is respectful.
Re:The Year of Dressing Formally (2008) by cema on Tuesday May 28, 2013 @06:18PM (#5783235)
Nothing wrong with a fanny pack! It's very convenient, safe, and can even be elegant, for some values of elegance.