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Re:The myth of Nazi efficiency by Retric on Sunday May 19, 2013 @12:10PM (#5733267)
Genocide was not the Mongols goal. They did not pick some segment of China's population and decide they needed to die. They like the Romans where conquerors. And as all large civilizations have done so at some point there viewed less hardly, and perhaps with a little awe as they created the largest empire in history granted a short lived one.

Pol Pot is an example of the other archetype of mass murder. He killed 1/4 of his country's population in 3 years in truly horrific fashion. But, in doing so he caused great harm to his own country's economy. What separates the Nazis is they efficiently eliminated large segments of the population without destroying society. It's horrific but also demonstrates at a somewhat visceral level that a large chunk of society is not that important. If 3/4 of the worlds bankers died tomorrow not much would change, if 3/4 of the worlds farmers died tomorrow there would be huge issues.

Re:The myth of Nazi efficiency by mseebach on Sunday May 19, 2013 @01:41PM (#5733663)
So, settling the Jewish question was more than just killing the jews from one day to the other - the concentration camps were "just" the culmination of years of systematic persecution, beginning with boycotts in 1933, the anti-interracial marriage laws 1935, Kristallnacht 1938. In 1933, 533,000 jews lived in Germany, by the time WWII commenced, it was down to 214,000 - almost all of which were subsequently murdered.

The majority of the jews killed in the Holocaust were not German, they were from all the occupied territories, most notably Poland.

Endlösung didn't kill anywhere near 1/4th of the population - it killed 1/3 %, and that fraction had already been systematically marginalised.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Victims_and_deat...

Re:The myth of Nazi efficiency by Retric on Sunday May 19, 2013 @04:02PM (#5734189)
Exactly, the efficiency had little to do with the method of death, the methods where simply the an example of said efficiency. It's a twisted blueprint. First vilify them, second remove them from anything approaching important positions (collage professors etc), third separate them from society (concentration camps), and finally murder them site unseen. Of course each of those steps where rather complex but the specifics are less important than the overall process. Because, it take a huge number of people willing to do horrible things to create atrocities on that scale.

Arguably step one had been occurring for hundreds of years before the Nazi's rise to power, but they really pushed the envelope.

What I find fascinating is I suspect for a great number of the leaders they really where just looking for something to vilify at the start and things just snowballed. It was only latter in the process as this huge segment of the population because less necessary that the idea of killing them showed up. Something like mass sterilization would have been as effective if there idea really was a twisted form of eugenics and they had been forcibly sterilizing people there and even in the US. However, while the initial idea may have been slave labor they kept sending so many people to these camps that they needed a 'solution'.

Re:The myth of Nazi efficiency by dakinsloss on Sunday May 19, 2013 @12:20PM (#5733300)
Where would the farmers get capital then? I think it's misinformed to claim that bankers are less important than farmers. There are clearly huge issues in the world of finance, but banking does serve an important and legitimate function.
Re:The myth of Nazi efficiency by Retric on Sunday May 19, 2013 @07:39PM (#5734915)
Where do you think bankers get capital.
Re:The myth of Nazi efficiency by dakinsloss on Monday May 20, 2013 @10:56AM (#5737982)
From farmers and other business people. I'm not claiming businesses are unimportant, simply that bankers are (because they redistribute that capital as loans to potentially successful new enterprises).
Re:The myth of Nazi efficiency by Retric on Thursday May 23, 2013 @10:31AM (#5756982)
A less snippy response is bankers are distributing the same finite pool of money so having twice as many bankers might make thing more efficient but it's not going to increase the available Capitol any time soon, ditto for having half as many bankers. Banking is important, but it's also highly automated.