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Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by rms on Thursday September 20, 2007 @12:21AM (#57243)
A few weeks ago, I was out to dinner with my parents and my grandparents. My grandfather is 90 years old and in relatively good health but he's slowed down a lot recently. My family has gotten much less religious over the years (we're Jewish) as it has come out that no one really believes in the religion, from my grandparents on down. The thought of my grandfather facing his own death with no faith really depressed me.

Have any secular individuals here come to terms with their own mortality? I haven't yet, but I sure hope I have a while to figure it out. Right now all I've got is a hope that a singularity will grant immortality. Or that this reality is a computer simulation and we wake up in a bigger computer simulation where we get bored sometimes and choose to spend lifetimes during interesting periods of time.

Either of these are much more likely than the eternal afterlife of a theistic god, but not nearly likely enough to give me any comfort. Dr Roth's lesson on mortality seems to be that death is inevitable, but that doesn't give me any satisfaction, for now.

Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by steve on Thursday September 20, 2007 @02:26AM (#57277)
Think of it this way: you don't have nearly as much to lose as you once thought. On the other hand, you'd better start living a good life now, because while you're alive is all you've got.
Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by adamdoupe on Thursday September 20, 2007 @05:02PM (#57600)
"The Wall" by Jean-Paul Sartre deals with these issues. I read it in some BS French Lit class, but "The Wall" was one that stuck with me. I'd recommend reading it (no long at all) as it gives a good depiction of what it's like facing death secularly.
Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by aswanson on Thursday September 20, 2007 @07:59PM (#57692)
Any happy living being will not find satisfaction in death. You just have to take the existential outlook that you may die or be immortal, in either case you have to define and strive for happiness. I remember as a child thinking "death will never happen to me." I also used to find refuge in belief, until I realized it was just a delusion.

I found that liberating, though. If life is here for a moment or forever, it is best not to let death define it. Just live.

Richard Carrier has a few essays on secular valuation of life; you might want to check those out. Keep striving...

Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by amichail on Thursday September 20, 2007 @12:26AM (#57247)
My guess is that all people -- religious or not -- are completely terrified towards the end. But maybe religion can bring comfort to some, so that they are terrified to a lesser degree.
Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by randallsquared on Thursday September 20, 2007 @01:56AM (#57271)
I think many people are not terrified, or even particularly afraid. I certainly don't want to die (like, ever), but I can understand those who "are ready" to die, now. Ten years ago, I couldn't even understand that. It was incomprehensible to me.

Generalizing improperly from my own experience and that of people I know, it seems to me that it gets easier to accept the idea of death for many people as they age. Hopefully we'll crack the aging thing ASAP, but I wonder how many will die of old age even after aging is more-or-less optional.

Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by whacked_new on Thursday September 20, 2007 @09:58AM (#57400)
I don't think I would be terrified, nor you.

While I'm too young to say, I think at the time you are old, your brain would have changed (or degraded) sufficiently enough to handle it with relative ease. That's the only way it makes sense to me when I read about ailing people talking about seeing the exit, the final candle, or whatever.

That aside, I also consider "what happens after you die" to be the ultimate question. Because nobody alive, dumb or smart, knows the answer, and nobody has come back to tell us. It just depends on when you think you are ready to find the answer. Perhaps after you solve the unified field theory everything will converge.

Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by amichail on Thursday September 20, 2007 @01:20PM (#57483)
While I'm too young to say, I think at the time you are old, your brain would have changed (or degraded) sufficiently enough to handle it with relative ease. That's the only way it makes sense to me when I read about ailing people talking about seeing the exit, the final candle, or whatever.

Even if true, not everyone would die after their brain has degraded in this way.

Sleep disorders are quite common in the elderly and I would guess that this is mostly due to a fear of death while asleep.

Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by gebloom on Thursday September 20, 2007 @02:01PM (#57504)
Having "happy" children is the best afterlife. Or, as people such as Alan Kay and Seymour Papert (who I believe are childless) have done, do something for everybody's children.
Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by jimbokun on Thursday September 20, 2007 @10:55AM (#57419)
"Or that this reality is a computer simulation and we wake up in a bigger computer simulation where we get bored sometimes and choose to spend lifetimes during interesting periods of time."

"Either of these are much more likely than the eternal afterlife of a theistic god..."

What's the difference between these two?

Re:CMU professor gives his last lesson on life by juwo on Friday September 21, 2007 @06:59PM (#58168)
someone tried to give you an answer here

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14926