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Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by 0x0 on Monday May 13, 2013 @07:45PM (#5702174)
I find it incredible that Microsoft would allow OEMs to preload software like this. The end user experience and impression of Windows 8 takes a brutal hit.
Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by Fizzer on Monday May 13, 2013 @11:35PM (#5702892)
Microsoft does work at eliminating this kind of thing. They clearly just missed this one.

Microsoft's main source of control over OEMs is the logo program. All laptops that want to get the "Designed for Windows" sticker (logo) have to pass a minimum bar set by Microsoft, which includes things like "must boot within X seconds" or "must sleep within Y seconds", "must output the correct audio frequencies", etc. My guess is none of the logo tests invoke the accelerometer which is why this got missed.

The logo program is great in theory, but in practice it doesn't work too well since consumers don't care about the sticker. Therefore, if Microsoft makes the requirements too high, OEMs will simply stop trying and just sell their laptops without a sticker.

Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by Someone on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @08:07AM (#5704308)
I care about that sticker; I don't like it. Especially with laptops, those stickers (you may get a 'Intel inside' one, too) look ugly. Removal also typically is hard, as the stickers are designed to look good for years.

B the way, I remember reading somewhere that Dell at a time compared the benefits of being in such a program with the cost of applying such a sticker, and found it wasn't worthwhile to take part in that sticker program. Anybody know whether that is true?

Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by RobAley on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @10:39AM (#5705130)
I don't know, but my dell box has a windows 7 sticker on (running Ubuntu, of course), so someone somewhere in Dell/Microsoft clearly made it worthwhile...
Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @04:45AM (#5703646)
I can imagine the logo problem / Microsoft's Seal of Approval also comes with a discount for OEM licenses.
Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by marshray on Monday May 13, 2013 @11:13PM (#5702836)
It's hard to imagine another policy without making it excessively difficult for vendors to add new features. For example, a button on a laptop that changes Wifi configuration might need a similar driver program.

Hardware vendors are generally expected supply their own drivers for all but the most common built-in devices. This can include user-mode applications. The driver certification process has greatly improved the quality of 3rd party kernel drivers. In my experience BSODs are really rare these days.

But obviously there can still be quality-of-implementation issues. This sounds like a question of "is this really a good use of RAM from the users' cost/benefit perspective?"

Disclosure: I'm new at Microsoft but my role has basically nothing to do with this stuff. Just my personal opinion as a long time developer and industry-watcher.

Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by snprbob86 on Monday May 13, 2013 @08:14PM (#5702304)
What you already know, but need to be reminded, is that there is not one, uniform "Microsoft", who has the power to allow or disallow something. Even in the highest levels of the corporate hierarchy, it takes a great deal of effort to influence the direction of the ship (never mind intentional steering). In the case of OEM shovelware, there were quite a few people who worked very hard to get rid of it. However, Dell alone has substantial influence over this decision through their sheer volume of sales of Windows. When you consider existing contracts, OEM motivations, and internal politics, it's no longer that incredible that this preloaded nonsense persists. What's incredible is that the concerted effort to regain control of the ship doesn't seem to be having much effect.
Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by bediger4000 on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @09:28AM (#5704656)
Agreed, there's no uniform "Microsoft" that controls anything. They're blameless in this.

Now, on to more interesting topics. Why should I, as a consumer, care about that? I see "Windows 8" in a commercial, it looks like there's a "Microsoft", but then I do my diligence, and I find out about weird rubbish as described in the article. It makes all the different, patchwork quilt of Microsoft's look really bad, even if "Spacer" did it. It looks to me, a consumer, as if there's a (possibly inadvertent) effort to shaft people. Maybe all those rumors about Windows slowing down when a new version is released are true. After all, a shaken tablet uses up memory, apparently without bound, which will cause problems eventually.

Why are you asking for some or all of the Microsofts to be given a break? That's really anti-free market.

Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by pvnick on Monday May 13, 2013 @11:05PM (#5702817)
Time for a new captain.
Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by NolF on Monday May 13, 2013 @11:09PM (#5702825)
The anti-trust rulings in the 90s prevents Microsoft from restricting OEMs on the crapware they install on computers.
Re:Executable Archaeology: The Case Of The Stupid Thing Eati... by lifeisstillgood on Tuesday May 14, 2013 @04:28AM (#5703595)
Oh trust me, the end user of experience of Windows 8 is not something that can be significantly more damaged by OEMs