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Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by kmfrk on Saturday May 11, 2013 @05:59PM (#5692259)
Literally two lines into the article:

    EPA Chica Squad places high in a global mobile-app 
    competition
Fourth paragraph:

    Self-dubbed the "EPA Chica Squad," (...)
Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by obstacle1 on Saturday May 11, 2013 @06:36PM (#5692364)
...which just means the girls themselves are complicit in the sexism, unknowingly, even as they think they're making progress. This is an illustration of how far we've regressed, as a culture, w/r/t systemic sexism. The discourse has been confused probably irreparably at this point.
Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by sp332 on Saturday May 11, 2013 @07:56PM (#5692587)
Back in the 80's and 90's, techies (men and women) felt the same way about society in general. They defensively carved out bubbles of welcoming space for themselves, where they wouldn't be made to feel weird. Eventually it stopped being weird to be a techie. These girls are in a disadvantaged minority, and they're carving out their own bubble where they feel less weird.

Also, according to women hackers, it's important to increase the visibility of women in tech right now so I think they're doing fine. "Lack of female role models" is the biggest deterrent for women in tech http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/04/30/the-biggest-deterrent...

Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by ebf on Saturday May 11, 2013 @07:06PM (#5692463)
I don't think your argument holds weight. Do feminist activists make themselves complicit in sexism? Does having a Black History Month encourage racism?
Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by fossuser on Saturday May 11, 2013 @07:38PM (#5692552)
Well Morgan Freeman has publicly commented on that pretty explicitly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s
Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by eaurouge on Sunday May 12, 2013 @12:35AM (#5693165)
What does that have to do with anything? Have you done a survey of all blacks, or even all black actors, to arrive at anything resembling a consensus? Why do you cite Morgan Freeman's opinion and not others?
Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by fossuser on Sunday May 12, 2013 @03:26AM (#5693491)
Well it's one opinion directly related to the parent comment's hypothetical question.

No I do not have a double blind controlled study on the opinion of black history month, but I thought Freeman's comment was obviously relevant and interesting.

I cited him and not others because this is the clip I had seen and remembered.

Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by eaurouge on Sunday May 12, 2013 @03:56AM (#5693539)
Well Morgan Freeman has publicly commented on that pretty explicitly

That's just as silly as stating Lucy Liu's hypothetical opinion on the Asian Pacific American Heritage Month (yes it does exist) [1]:

"Well Lucy Liu has publicly commented on that pretty explicitly".

Unless of course you think Morgan Freeman's opinions count more than Lucy Liu's. But I don't think you do, thankfully.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Pacific_American_Heritage...

Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by fossuser on Sunday May 12, 2013 @05:09AM (#5693680)
It was a link to a video making a relevant argument that happened to be by Morgan Freeman.

I'm not sure what your point is?

Should I have just linked the youtube video without any context?

Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by ebf on Saturday May 11, 2013 @07:49PM (#5692577)
Black History Month may have not been the best example, but I think there is value in highlighting success of minorities in a field where there aren't as many minority models to look up to.
Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by fossuser on Saturday May 11, 2013 @08:28PM (#5692653)
I think the argument Freeman makes is that that sense of value is misguided and actually serves to perpetuate the problem.
Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by obstacle1 on Saturday May 11, 2013 @10:25PM (#5692870)
>Do feminist activists make themselves complicit in sexism

I think that the existence of a movement called femi-nism is itself an example of systemic sexism. You can't gender the name of your ideology and then claim to fight for equality between genders. What feminists fight for is a furthering of women's rights vis-a-vis men, not equal rights for women and men. Completely different things.

And yes, having a black history month is complicit in deepening racial divides in a society. Just as having a [insert-race-or-ethnicity-here] history month would also do.

The question isn't "are movements like feminism inherently sexist", because they objectively are. The question is whether or not that sexism is justified.

Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by cinquemb on Saturday May 11, 2013 @07:24PM (#5692513)
The acts (sexist/racist/-ist) themselves, no. But one can say it is reinforcing the status quo of "Us vs Them" in the context of whatever -ism.
Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by sp332 on Saturday May 11, 2013 @07:31PM (#5692531)
I think it's important to increase visibility of women in tech. There is no "us vs them" in this story! The "us vs them" would be "guy techies vs girl non-techies". As soon as a woman is "in tech", she stops reinforcing the status quo.
Re:East Palo Alto girls create app to clean up graffiti, trash by cinquemb on Saturday May 11, 2013 @07:55PM (#5692582)
I think it is important that if a women/black man/[insert-group-here] person/anyone is excited to work on things in tech, that they realize that people will look upon them with whatever illogical stigmas they have, and move beyond that. Because there will be people in the t̶e̶c̶h̶ world that are able to see beyond the superficial things and connect with them as a person to work on things they love to do.

At least that's how it has been for me. I can't imagine what it would be like if I stopped every time to take offense to someones irrational beliefs they had about me, and tried to form [insert-group here] to do something about it that has nothing to do with my interest with tinkering.