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Re:Wine tasting is bullshit by camperman on Thursday May 09, 2013 @10:37PM (#5684224)
Strange article. I've spent a lot of time in one of the finest winelands in the world (Stellenbosch) and I used to be a supertaster (with blindfolded tests to prove it to sceptical friends) and I've blended some of my own.

It's definitely all very personal, subjective and prone to loads of outside influences. Are the limitations of language partially at fault? Probably. Are wine reviewers pompous? Mostly. But is there really an incredible variety of flavors and textures in red wine alone? Yes there is. And don't get me started on cognac and whiskey.

Re:Wine tasting is bullshit by freework on Thursday May 09, 2013 @11:13PM (#5684363)
If there is such a large variety of flavors that can be detected, then why does the scientific data suggest otherwise?
Re:Wine tasting is bullshit by 2muchcoffeeman on Thursday May 09, 2013 @11:41PM (#5684477)
I think because most people suck at identifying flavours. Flavour is very difficult to pin down.

I am a coffee enthusiast. I've tasted a lot of coffees. Even with coffee tasting notes, I am quite convinced that the majority of tasters are simply making things up.

Anecdote time.

I had the opportunity to go to a coffee cupping with a well respected barista around here. You have 3 cups, 2 are identical. Your job is to try and find the odd one out. We had a little seminar on taste, and did a few taste recognising exercises before doing the cupping. There was a chef in attendance who did not do very well during the exercises or during the cupping (I did pretty well).

Pinning down a flavour is very hard without purposeful practise. Most people don't build flavour associations. I've been paying more attention to flavours since the cupping. I don't always remember flavours by what food they are in. For example, my recollection of the taste of cocoa powder is linked to the feeling of it going up my nose that time I opened the pack wrong. My recollection of apricot is linked to the time I couldn't quite recall the flavour, got mad, and went down to the supermarket and bought an apricot to eat.

Things do taste different and price is definitely a factor. But I think tasting notes are mostly garbage.

Re:Wine tasting is bullshit by danielharan on Thursday May 09, 2013 @11:29PM (#5684421)
Citation needed.
Re:Wine tasting is bullshit by kbenson on Thursday May 09, 2013 @11:43PM (#5684485)
Maybe he means this[1]. BTW, It's from the article we're discussing...

[1]: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870368380457453...

Re:Wine tasting is bullshit by danielharan on Friday May 10, 2013 @12:05AM (#5684560)
Well, that only says that a single study showed that "flavor-trained professionals cannot reliably identify more than three or four components in a mixture". Surely you or people you know can reliably identify several more when not part of a mixture - or even identify one mixture as rose and smoke, while another could be rose and berry.

camperman's point that "there really an incredible variety of flavors and textures in red wine alone" probably isn't very controversial to anyone that's actually tasted more than a few bottles.

Re:Wine tasting is bullshit by kbenson on Friday May 10, 2013 @12:40AM (#5684675)
Okay, I can accept that.

It just struck me as odd to ask for a citation when the article that's referenced uses one for that point. Possibly you meant to force them to look deeper into the citation to support their position. If so, as a third party, it's confusing. Considering it now, I may be guilty of having done that in the past, regretfully.