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Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by yread on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:33AM (#5625451)
I hate this. All the electronic waste, batteries and whatnot for a 15 day trial. I hope such a thing wouldn't be allowed in EU with the stricter waste laws
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by adventured on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:53AM (#5625499)
We better stop making many forms of new electronics then, to limit waste. Just imagine how many millions of USB sticks have been thrown in the trash in just the last year alone, as they become outdated by newer USB sticks that store twice as much at half the cost while wasting just as many physical resources!

Do you really need a new iPhone? No you do not. The iPhone 4 will do perfectly fine for now (according to some random bureaucrat), so the iPhone 5 should be illegal to sell until further notice.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by doktrin on Monday April 29, 2013 @10:38AM (#5626404)
While we're at it, we could also ban hyperbole.

The parent raises a valid point that shouldn't be dismissed simply by carrying an idea to a comical extreme.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by randallsquared on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:43PM (#5629583)
Over and over, the comical extreme becomes the new normal. :(
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by astrodust on Monday April 29, 2013 @03:03PM (#5627989)
This is a device that's designed to work for fifteen days and then instantly become garbage despite being perfectly functional.

Do you really have trouble understanding that part?

I'm a proponent of the idea that companies that sell you products should have to take them back at the end of their useful life. That is, Apple would take back your unwanted phone and be responsible for recycling or disposing of it, it would no longer be your problem. This would encourage companies to engineer products with longer useful lifespans, or to facilitate refurbishing instead of destruction.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by cheald on Monday April 29, 2013 @11:47PM (#5630320)
This would encourage companies to engineer products with longer useful lifespans, or to facilitate refurbishing instead of destruction.

Or just bake the cost of disposal into the sales price of the item.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by Evbn on Monday April 29, 2013 @03:21PM (#5628094)
Apple could just throw away the product you return. That would not suffice.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by agravier on Monday April 29, 2013 @07:58AM (#5625520)
Your arguments strike me as a good illustration of why we need more recyclable electronics and more recycling initiatives.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by 542458 on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:47AM (#5625761)
Recycling isn't much of a solution. It's like smoking filtered cigarettes vs unfiltered - it's better than the alternative, but you'll still end up dead in the long term.

Short of glass, most materials recycle with very low efficiencies. Even aluminium, which is often touted as being "highly recyclable" usually only reclaims around 85% of the input.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by agravier on Monday April 29, 2013 @09:11AM (#5625871)
Alright, but realistically, I don't see "no waste" economies coming up and staying up for good. So, better work hard on those filters than shrug it off.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by jlgreco on Monday April 29, 2013 @02:16PM (#5627760)
Isn't aluminum particularly profitable to recycle, even with a low recovery, since it requires absurd amounts of power to smelt the stuff in the first place?

Aluminum is incredibly abundant in the earth's crust, but from what I understand it is the poster-boy for recycling because of the extreme difference in power costs between melting it down, and making it in the first place.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by sageikosa on Monday April 29, 2013 @03:38PM (#5628191)
I was going to mention that much earlier...aluminum/aluminium wasn't easily separable from bauxite until electricity could be generated at industrial scale. It also forms a protective oxidized patina very quickly so needs very little in the way of post processing to "clean it up" for re-use.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by hcarvalhoalves on Monday April 29, 2013 @12:31PM (#5627151)
The difference is no one bought this electronic: it's advertising you have to swallow with your magazine.

Quit the hyperbole.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by binarycrusader on Monday April 29, 2013 @12:58PM (#5627334)
No more hyperbole than pointing out that if you want to be that extreme, then the magazine shouldn't have been printed at all. After all, the least damage to environment would have been to only have it available online.

And if you insist that it should have been printed, then what about leaving out the few hundred pages of advertising or sponsored content. After all, if they only printed the "real" content the magazine delivers, that would be minimally damaging to the environment.

If there's anything to complain about here it's that I doubt they made it easy or obvious to users that they couldn't recycle the whole magazine as you would normally. Instead, you'd need to tear off the electronics part and take it to an e-waste recycle and put the rest in a "normal" recycling bin.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by samegreatsleeve on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:05PM (#5629156)
Paper doesn't harm the environment. Most lumber from NA is carbon neutral at worst, carbon capturing at best
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by binarycrusader on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:40PM (#5629799)
Paper may not, but what about all the machines to print the magazine, the vehicle to transport it, and the ink? The paper is just one tiny component.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by ofacup on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:11AM (#5625572)
still waiting for some of your insight here, but, hey, this is just a guess but i think you're full of shit... if not, please share how the US funds the world's drug research. 18 days and nothing... guess all your other posts are crap too. this one hasn't really changed any opinions
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by rquantz on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:37AM (#5625706)
I also disagree with adventured here, but your response is not useful.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by petercooper on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:02AM (#5625538)
I'd suspect it would. I've received things like USB flash drives on Microsoft promos. I could be wrong but I think EU law puts the onus on the person disposing electronic goods rather than the producer. (Not that most people listen with anything small, it just goes in the trash.)
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by toyg on Monday April 29, 2013 @11:56AM (#5626948)
> I think EU law puts the onus on the person disposing electronic goods rather than the producer.

Nope, I'm pretty sure it's the opposite. At any point in time, if you want to dispose of some electronic gadget in the EU, you can send it to the manufacturer for disposal, and sue them if they refuse. If the manufacturer does not have a local branch, then the onus is on the importer/distributor down the chain.

Unfortunately, most people don't know or simply can't be bothered.

I used to just drop stuff at the local skip/recycling centre, where they keep electronics in a separate area, because I knew people would scavenge it for parts; a few months ago the skip changed their policy and now forbid people from picking up anything from the "electronics area", under some health&safety-touting rule. I bet it's actually because electronics disposal in the EU is now big business, thanks to the above-mentioned directive: producers are now under de-facto blackmail, so they pay specialised companies to deal with their waste, which in turn rely on local skips to pick up stuff. These companies need to get hold of waste to get paid, so they basically stop people from recycling at the source. Politically speaking it's mission accomplished (establishing a "green" economy etc etc), but in practice it's actually discouraging people from recycling among themselves, which is the most energy-efficient way to tackle waste; and recyclable electronics still show up in non-diversified skips across the African continent (or worse).

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by DanBC on Monday April 29, 2013 @03:02PM (#5627985)
Retailers have to take the old gadget if you buy a new gadget from them.

Distributors need to provide centers to take stuff from consumers.

Consumers have a responsibility to look at the packaging to see if something can be thrown in the garbage or if it needs to be sent for special disposal.

(http://www.environmentlaw.org.uk/rte.asp?id=245)

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by tripzilch on Monday April 29, 2013 @03:36PM (#5628178)
afaik you can also just return it to the shop you bought it at?

at least that's how it works for bigger appliances (vacuums, washing machines), after all, you paid a separate "disposal fee" when you bought it.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by easytiger on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:13AM (#5625585)
i seem to buy a new one every 6 months
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by brudgers on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:05AM (#5625553)
For better or worse, your sentiments probably place you outside the target demographic for Forbes magazine. I will add that many of the resources consumed in online activity, including my comment here, are largely wasted.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by null_ptr on Monday April 29, 2013 @12:59PM (#5627341)
This is indeed absolutely disgusting. We should strive to build things that last people 15 years not 15 days, high-quality intelligently-designed devices that provide use and value for years, not planned obsolence, laptops with glued batteries, disposable routers. This is too much.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by powertower on Monday April 29, 2013 @09:21AM (#5625931)
What waste? It's a few wires, a small chip, and probably a non-rechargeable/non-toxic battery that you can throw out in the regular trash.

Hate is also a fairly strong word.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by DanBC on Monday April 29, 2013 @02:59PM (#5627973)
You throw regular batteries into the regular trash?

We have special bins for any batteries. The bins are available in many shops.

All packets of batteries (here) ask you to not just throw them into the trash but to send them to the special bins. This is part of law.

(http://www.environmentlaw.org.uk/rte.asp?id=245)

This law is part of EU directives.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by powertower on Monday April 29, 2013 @03:13PM (#5628045)
Regular batteries (alkaline - non-rechargeable) in the US are not recycled. There are no recyclers that will even take them (except a few that will just end up throwing them away, and a lesser few that will store indefinitely them).

These batteries are supposed go into your regular trash, and into the regular landfill, as they only contain trace amounts of any metals (too little to spend any effort extracting them out). And are considered non-toxic as far as I know (but don't eat them).

The other types of batteries, the rechargeable types, are mostly recyclable and are not supposed to be thrown away.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by amirmc on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:15PM (#5629209)
What kind of batteries do you have that do not contain toxic chemicals or heavy metals? Just because some people (countries?) let you put them in the trash doesn't mean they should go in the trash.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_recycling

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by gambiting on Monday April 29, 2013 @09:26AM (#5625950)
Read the article first. The battery is rechargeable.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by powertower on Monday April 29, 2013 @09:49AM (#5626096)
My fault. I scimmed it twice, but did not see the part about it being rechargable via usb.

But there are still many types of rechargable batteries that don't require special disposal. I wouldn't assume too much about this.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by yesplorer on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:26PM (#5628462)
I'm thinking if it says '15 days trial', then after the 15 days you could probably pay the service provider some $$ to continue using the service. hence it wouldn't be a total waste.

I could be wrong though.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by andreasklinger on Monday April 29, 2013 @08:07AM (#5625560)
agree. especially as it is likely that chips will become the biggest part of our waste.
Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by sultezdukes on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:41PM (#5629335)
* I hope such a thing wouldn't be allowed in EU with the stricter waste laws*

And that's why I'm happy I don't live in the EU.....too many people with this nanny-state attitude, who want bureaucrats managing every little detail of their lives.

Re:Microsoft Puts Free Portable WiFi In Forbes Magazine Prin... by cgh on Monday April 29, 2013 @06:44PM (#5629350)
The US has waste management laws too. Try throwing medical waste out with your trash sometime. Darn those meddling bureaucrats!