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Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by swombat on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @05:22AM (#561222)
Er... from http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com/2009/04/miniapp-hacker-news... (posted by chrislo)

Hacker Newspaper is a superior user interface for Hacker News.

I beg to disagree - see below.

It's more performant, more readable

It's hard to skim.

it doesn't turn visited links damn near invisible for some insane reason

I don't need to read the same thing again. Visited links can be invisible for all I care. I visit them less than 5% of the time.

and it makes it much easier to skim the headlines

No way. Suddenly I have to scroll through screens of large-font nonsense instead of just getting it all within about 1.5 screens.

and avoid getting into useless, time-wasting blather

Comments, to me, are more than 50% of the value of HN. I often read the comments before the article, and sometimes don't bother reading the article at all.

To me, this "reformatted layout" is very, very inferior.

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by davidmathers on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @05:36AM (#561231)
I often read the comments before the article, and sometimes don't bother reading the article at all.

Same here. To me this is essential. The comments tell me quickly if the article is going to be a waste of time.

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by dhimes on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @06:27AM (#561262)
This thread is a great case-in-point for me. I read comments to here (this is the top thread at this moment), and now am moving on. I won't bother to read the OP at all.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by mechanical_fish on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @07:06AM (#561292)
Oh, I wouldn't make that mistake. The OP is lots of fun, even if you aren't someone who would use it as their primary HN interface.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by axod on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @08:39AM (#561356)
I agree... The times when the comments are a good indicator of when to skip something is when the article is pages of text, or a very long video.

This one's interesting to take a glance at, then move on.

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by dhimes on Wednesday April 15, 2009 @05:09PM (#564167)
OK- done. It was kind of a cool.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by Dilpil on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @09:23AM (#561413)
I find that actually looking at the article provides a far better indicator of quality, but to each his own.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by Hexstream on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @11:06AM (#561585)
In general, determining the quality of an article with any accuracy by looking at it is well more time-intensive than just looking at the comments.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by swombat on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @06:16PM (#562480)
Yep. Especially when the content is the longer kind.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by lsb on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @05:59PM (#562445)
But what's most important is not % error rate, but % error rate / s.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by kingkawn on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @09:31AM (#561426)
what if the comments are a waste of time too?
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by Zev on Wednesday April 15, 2009 @01:56AM (#563044)
Thats very rarely the case on HN, either because of the HN culture as it is now, or the mods removing very subpar content.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by jamiequint on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @01:30PM (#561871)
Not totally relevant, but there is an OS X app that creates a similar newspaper format (but addresses most of these concerns) for reading RSS feeds. Got it as part of the MacHeist Bundle and have been addicted ever since. I personally like it much more than a standard RSS reader -> http://www.acrylicapps.com/times/
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by nirmal on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @02:41PM (#562008)
I also got Times as part of the MH bundle but I've had no luck with getting it to actually display any feeds. I've tried adding each one individually and importing a OPML file from Google Reader. What could I be missing?
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by websevenpointoh on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @11:46AM (#561657)
Agreed. It seems as if the page has simply been re-engineered to put stories in an arbitrary number of columns. Readability is all but slain. My eye jumps all over the page before focusing on a single story. The only thing I really like from it is the display of the descriptions on the front page. A one-liner summary or something of the sort would really help (although I suppose my RSS feed already does that).
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by mhb on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @08:35AM (#561352)
WTF kind of word is performant?
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by raganwald on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @09:17AM (#561406)
It's just like utilize. Crotchety old folks will bitch and moan that it is not a real word and unnecessary in any event, but the world will ignore them and use the words it wants to use. English is a living language, and sometimes that means it suffers from unsightly warts.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by mhb on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @09:46AM (#561441)
There's a distinction between completely useless, bogus words which duplicate the functionality of existing ones and new words which convey some new meaning (e.g. bromance).

It's surprising that in the world of programming, in which precision is essential, there are so many advocates for cruftiness in English.

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by raganwald on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @09:53AM (#561456)
It's surprising in the world of programming, in which precision is essential, there are so many advocates for cruftiness in English.

In programming, precision is essential. In human communication, it is often inconsequential. We sped our time railing against our arbitrary and fickle natures, demanding precisely worded specification, imposing workflow and permissions straightjackets on programs, when in reality all that matters is that people feel happy when they use what we build.

If someone feels happy saying the words "performant" and "utilize" to me, that is enough.

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by mhb on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @10:07AM (#561483)
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Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by sdp on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @01:00PM (#561810)
Why not follow this to its logical conclusion?

  Remove all synonyms
  Example: fine -> good

  Remove antonyms and just negate the word
  Example: bad -> ungood

  Remove special-case nouns: just combine a noun and one or more adjectives to reach the same meaning with fewer fundamental words.
  Example: great -> doubleplusgood; murder -> collateral damage
We could call this doubleplusgood language newspeak.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by mhb on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @02:46PM (#562028)
Why not follow this to its logical conclusion?

I did. The masses were not amused.

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by gruseom on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @12:11PM (#561696)
It's surprising that in the world of programming, in which precision is essential, there are so many advocates for cruftiness in English.

Boy would you not like my code. It's full of neologisms. Undivify. Wipeage. Calcval. Zillions of them! I'd say this makes my code better English, not worse. I choose words carefully and do not hesitate to make a new one if existing ones don't communicate just what is wanted. It's not an arbitrary process and has nothing to do with sloppiness or vanity. It has to do with making the language fit the problem.

Oh, and I use "performant" all the time, too. What other adjective signifies the qualities that programmers have in mind when they say "performance"?

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by mhb on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @02:44PM (#562022)
It's an aesthetic argument. If you make your constraint tight enough, you're forced into concocting a new word to fix some imagined failing of the existing language. We don't need an adjective that signifies performance and we also don't need an adjective that signifies performance that starts with "perform".

Instead, you can rearrange the wording a little to convey the exact same meaning. By working within the constraints, an elegant solution emerges. By all means add words if they are clever or pleasing or convey a nuance that can't be achieved with what already exists. Performant and functionality don't meet those criteria.

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by demallien on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @02:30PM (#561984)
Efficient? At least that's what 7 of 9 always uses... And who's going to argue witha reclaimed borg?
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by gruseom on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @03:07PM (#562079)
I would say that "performant" is a narrower term than "efficient", so no, the two don't coincide.

This whole argument is silly, of course. Natural language is so heavily overloaded that you could never regularize it in the way people seem to be proposing, and if you could, you would ruin it.

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by mmc on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @01:53PM (#561912)
"Fast"
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by gruseom on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @02:02PM (#561922)
Speed is the most important part, but not the whole concept.
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by jibiki on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @10:31AM (#561522)
The meaning is obvious to me, although I've never seen it before. What would be a good real word to use instead? ("Efficient", "effective", "harmonious" all seem a bit off. "High performance" almost makes sense, but it's not comparable, you can't say "more high performance".)
Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by mhb on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @10:40AM (#561542)
It's more performant, more readable, it doesn't turn visited links damn near invisible for some insane reason, and ...

It's more readable, performs better, doesn't turn visited links damn near invisible for some insane reason, and ...

Re:Hacker Newspaper: reformatted Hacker News by Hexstream on Tuesday April 14, 2009 @11:10AM (#561591)
The kind of word a french speaker would utter if they didn't have a perfect intuition for "proper" english words.