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Re:Twitter Should Shut Me Down by wpietri on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:16PM (#5608037)
Ah, the "if the victim is that dumb, they deserve it" school of thought.

Note that you can substitute all sorts of adjectives for "dumb".

E.g., "those nerds are so unpopular they deserve to get beaten up". Or, "those people are poor enough that they deserve to live next to a toxic waste dump".

Basically, it's a way of taking whatever characteristic you pride yourself on and then making yourself feel even better about it by enjoying when shitty things happen to other people.

Re:Twitter Should Shut Me Down by mindcrime on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:50PM (#5608290)
Ah, the "if the victim is that dumb, they deserve it" school of thought.

No, the "take responsibility for the outcome of your own actions" school of thought. Or do you think one should be able to wander through life, doing and saying anything one pleases, completely oblivious to your environment, and not expect bad things to happen sometimes?

Re:Twitter Should Shut Me Down by wpietri on Thursday April 25, 2013 @02:36PM (#5609032)
If the only thing you could imagine someone meaning is something obviously idiotic, you probably aren't imagining hard enough.
Re:Twitter Should Shut Me Down by mindcrime on Thursday April 25, 2013 @03:39PM (#5609388)
I could imagine a lot of things. I'm just trying to point out that you can't just absolve individuals from being responsible for the outcomes of their decisions. And that's not the same thing as saying "The victim was dumb, they got what they had coming to them".
Re:Twitter Should Shut Me Down by rxantos on Friday April 26, 2013 @09:49PM (#5616471)
Bad judgement on one individual doesn't justify bad actions of another individual.

A woman might choose to wear clothes that make her look sexy. But that doesn't justify a guy raping her.

I agree that people act dumb. But that doesn't justify predatory behaviour.

Re:Twitter Should Shut Me Down by mindcrime on Saturday April 27, 2013 @01:27AM (#5616916)
A woman might choose to wear clothes that make her look sexy. But that doesn't justify a guy raping her.

Nobody said it did, and that example is nothing like what we're talking about here.

Re:Twitter Should Shut Me Down by scrabble on Thursday April 25, 2013 @01:25PM (#5608559)
People do need to learn that their actions can have negative outcomes as well as positive.

This is also not something that is just happening to these people. They are taking an active part by deciding to follow someone.

I certainly don't belong to the school of thought that says you should never experience a negative outcome.

Re:Twitter Should Shut Me Down by jeremyarussell on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:58PM (#5608342)
It takes a special kind of leap to go from "Socially engineered into doing something" to "deserves physical violence because of unpopularity" or "financially unable to get out of an unhealthy situation so isn't deserving of a better situation".

The key difference being that in the prior example the negative impact is you follow someone that may not be of interest to you, in which case you can always un-follow. While a nerd or the poor will find they can't literally click a button to undo the "damage" that was done.

I get what you are trying to say, I disagree that you can apply that to this specific example. It would be better aimed at a rich person who literally thinks everyone on food stamps is a lazy bum.