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Re:Propagation Delay and Its Relationship to Maximum Cable L... by tlb on Thursday April 25, 2013 @11:59AM (#5607943)
None of this applies to modern gigabit ethernet installations, which are full-duplex and switched so that collisions don't occur. Maximum cable length is limited by signal degradation, so the limit is soft. With good quality cables you can go a little beyond the rated maximum.
Re:Propagation Delay and Its Relationship to Maximum Cable L... by ajross on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:06PM (#5607977)
Exactly. The switches buffer packets. The article is talking about a CSMA limitation of the old unbuffered hub architecture (and the "real electrical bus" coax networks before that) which have been irrelevant for over a decade now.

And my experience is that you can actually get well beyond the official lengths for most signal types even with comparatively cheap cables as long as you're willing to test and throw out the odd cable or connector. Standards are written with conservatism in mind.

Re:Propagation Delay and Its Relationship to Maximum Cable L... by jcr on Thursday April 25, 2013 @07:58PM (#5610728)
> Exactly. The switches buffer packets.

In most cases, you're right. The vast majority of switches use a sore-and-forward design (buffering), but when you get into latency-critical applications, another type of switch design is used, typically called a cross-bar switch.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/220055485_A_low-late...

http://www.google.com/patents/US5339396

I think opinions vary on whether or not crossbar designs "buffer" but it mostly depends on how you define buffering. None the less, the low-latency crossbar designs try to eliminate the latency caused by buffering in the older but more common store-and-forward designs.

Re:Propagation Delay and Its Relationship to Maximum Cable L... by ajross on Friday April 26, 2013 @12:05PM (#5613647)
This is a valid point and I should have been more precise. But AFAICT all those interconnects are single duplex point-to-point links, and thus not subject to the CSMA issues of asymmetric collision detection detailed in the linked article.
Re:Propagation Delay and Its Relationship to Maximum Cable L... by sliverstorm on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:12PM (#5608017)
With good quality cables you can go a little beyond the rated maximum

This sort of thing is designed with a very, very comfortable margin. I'd expect if you wanted, you could get quite a lot beyond the rated maximum.

Re:Propagation Delay and Its Relationship to Maximum Cable L... by vineel on Thursday April 25, 2013 @12:22PM (#5608077)
You seem to have a lot of knowledge about this. If I wanted to acquire similar knowledge, where would I go? I know embarrassingly little about networks.
Re:Propagation Delay and Its Relationship to Maximum Cable L... by smithian on Thursday April 25, 2013 @01:08PM (#5608419)
Not the OP, but I would pick up a copy of Ethernet: the Definitive Guide. Then move on to TCP/IP Illustrated, 1&2.