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Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by rabbidruster on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:22PM (#5587582)
While I understand computer scientists are not always the best writers, phrases like "Amazon do have a breaking point" make it hard to continue reading this article.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by pcl on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:31PM (#5587615)
In British English, a company is plural, not singular. So this construct is correct in some dialects. And he also uses 'armour', which is again a British construct, so I'd guess he's just not using American English.

(I wonder if British law considers a corporation to be a person to the degree that US law does, or if this plural view of a corporation is pervasive in law as well as in grammar.)

Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by mpclark on Monday April 22, 2013 @02:59AM (#5588183)
This is oft-repeated, but not actually true. Most people in the UK who care about these things (for instance, sub editors in the printed press) hold that companies are singular entities. The confusion comes with sports teams, which are commonly referred to in the plural, so "Microsoft is" but "Manchester United are".

Edit: For example, here's what the Guardian's style guide says on the matter:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/c#id-3022716

Of course, with something as flexible and constantly evolving (and as used and abused) as the English language, it is usually possible to find examples and counter-examples for just about anything. There are also edge cases; the Guardian refers to police forces as plural entities, I believe. Suffice to say, when I was running a back bench, singular was the order of the day when it came to company names.

Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by diroussel on Monday April 22, 2013 @04:05AM (#5588351)
I'm British, and I always thing of groups of people as groups of people.

But then I never won any awards for grammar.

Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by mpclark on Monday April 22, 2013 @04:34AM (#5588414)
Are you trying to say you disagree but you think you're probably wrong?
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by diroussel on Wednesday April 24, 2013 @09:00AM (#5601193)
I don't think it's a case of right or wrong. It's a writing style.

But for me, when speaking and writing consider companies to be groups of people, and so I use plural. And I think that is common over here in Britain.

Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by codeulike on Monday April 22, 2013 @07:13AM (#5588769)
I'm British ...

That should be explanation enough.

Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by omaranto on Monday April 22, 2013 @08:36AM (#5588970)
I don't think sub-editors are a compelling example: people in those positions are likely to ignore the language they learned growing up and stick instead to some made up rules they believe are 'more proper'. I have definitely heard British people say 'my bank are' and 'ASDA are'.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by mpclark on Monday April 22, 2013 @11:27AM (#5589724)
Yes, of course you have heard people commit these errors. Others say "haitch" for the lettter 'H' and still others talk about "nu-cu-lar power". We ain't all educated proper, that's for sure.

I'm intrigued that you are ready to rule out the contributions of a class of people who manipulate the written word for a living (and debate usage among themselves to the point of distraction!)

ASDA? Well, I'd use "Asda" since it is pronounced as a word, not four initials. But the company itself still seems to be struggling for consistency on that...

Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by spicyj on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:29PM (#5587612)
If it's the plural conjugation you're complaining about, know that that's correct in British English: http://english.stackexchange.com/a/1339/50.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by rabbidruster on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:39PM (#5587643)
Thanks for the link. It sounded extremely weird to me. I didn't know corp were often plural nouns in British English.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by eru on Monday April 22, 2013 @12:38AM (#5587803)
For some more fun with American English, try http://fine.me.uk/Emonds/
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by asveikau on Monday April 22, 2013 @02:02AM (#5588042)
Interesting link.

I'm not a linguist but parsing these sentences as an American reader, I feel a bit like this page's examples are playing games with word order and omission. The cited "prestige" grammar sounds less intuitive to me not because of the pronoun used, but because of word order and words that are left out.

Example cited as correct prestige grammar:

> They didn't give anyone that worked less than she a raise.

That sounds a little weird to my American ears, but "worked less than she did" sounds totally correct.

"Worked less than her" (cited as correct non-prestige) sounds a bit casual and informal, not sounding too jarring but not what I'd expect in decent writing. Similar to the other example of "us commuters". If I'm talking to someone I wouldn't blink if they said this, but I wouldn't see it in the New York Times. (Though this also reminds me of phrases like "me too" or "it's me", which despite being inconsistent with distinctions between subject and object in other phrases, you'd hear a lot more than "I as well" or "it is I".)

> Mary and him are late.

Sounds very wrong to me.

Thinking back to my childhood it was pretty common for kids to be a bit "confused" about using pronouns this way before 10 years old or so, so maybe there is something to the author's statement that kids learn the non-prestige form and then the educated ones are "corrected" later.

> Mary and he are late.

This still sounds weird. I'd say "he and Mary are late".

> her and us

> she and we

These sound pretty clumsy regardless of which is supposed to be used.

Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by johndonsu on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:47PM (#5587666)
Your arrogance is astounding. This is why people hate Americans.

An English person, writing English in an English way, and you say you're not going to continue reading. Do you require him to write like an American? Why should an English person, writing their own language, have to follow your conventions?

"I didn't know"

Well then don't start shouting your mouth off! If you don't know, keep quiet.

Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by rabbidruster on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:56PM (#5587704)
I had a hard time reading that phrase, and I thought it was because he didn't spend enough time editing the article. I like to think I am a cultured person, but I truly didn't know it was grammatically correct in British English. Don't judge all Americans just because I am naive.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by detst on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:54PM (#5587695)
Your misunderstanding and dramatic response is astounding. It's ignorance, not arrogance. Say what you want about his reaction to the perceived poor grammar but it's nothing more than that.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by johndonsu on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:55PM (#5587698)
If he didn't understand why it was written like that, how about trying to find out why, before posting a snarky message?
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by mpyne on Monday April 22, 2013 @12:10AM (#5587730)
For the same reason you didn't bother to figure out whether it was ignorance or malice on his part before jumping to your own convenient conclusion, I would imagine.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by rabbidruster on Monday April 22, 2013 @12:48AM (#5587828)
Again sorry I offended you. I wont make this mistake in the future.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by dasil003 on Monday April 22, 2013 @01:26AM (#5587919)
Wow you sound extremely angry. There must be a deeper issue at play here because this is way out of proportion to the comment you are responding to.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by pinneycolton on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:32PM (#5587622)
It's common in the UK to use "do" when referring to a collective. The author is from the UK.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by philwelch on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:25PM (#5587597)
I'm curious what you find wrong with that sentence.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by icedchai on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:36PM (#5587635)
We're from America. We speak Murican.
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by mattdeboard on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:24PM (#5587592)
Might have been using it like "The cattle do graze", or "Black Sabbath do have a new album coming out".
Re:Has Amazon EC2 become over subscribed? (2010) by mynameishere on Monday April 22, 2013 @12:34AM (#5587790)
Come on. Quit downmodding people for a common misunderstanding. To any American "Amazon do" really does sound off.