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Re:Verizon DSL is moving to Carrier Grade NAT by wmf on Sunday April 07, 2013 @10:56PM (#5509757)
Verizon is doing IPv6; hopefully they'll turn on IPv6 at the same time as CGN.
Re:Verizon DSL is moving to Carrier Grade NAT by trotsky on Sunday April 07, 2013 @11:20PM (#5509828)
I wouldn't count on it - it seems they plan on a rather limited trial on fios where they control 100% of the CPE. They only started shipping the router they've qualified for it late last year, and even so they are pushing a lot of firmware updates to it.

Not that it would be of much help to folks stuck with private space in the near term - it's not like their gaming or file sharing peers will be on routable 6. Except for some VOIP providers the big traffic sinks with 6 enabled are just bog standard http.

If this isn't just sabre rattling it's pretty stupid that heavy hitters like verizon are SOL while so many old school /8's sit around 99% unreachable. Somebody needs to cut the shit and start the auctions.

Re:Verizon DSL is moving to Carrier Grade NAT by Sami_Lehtinen on Monday April 08, 2013 @02:54AM (#5510323)
This is exactly what I was thinking about. IPv4 with NAT and full IPv6 connectivity. Btw. Does carrier grade NAT support UPnP?
Re:Verizon DSL is moving to Carrier Grade NAT by ianlevesque on Monday April 08, 2013 @03:56AM (#5510480)
UPnP doesn't leave your local network, so no. You cannot forward ports at all behind CGNAT.
Re:Verizon DSL is moving to Carrier Grade NAT by Sami_Lehtinen on Monday April 08, 2013 @04:23AM (#5510549)
Well, in case of CGNAT is run (naturally) by the ISP, and network connection from that point is bridged. So yes, I think UPnP will reach their system. If they just want to honor it. Maybe with very restricted port number ranges / portscustomer IP or so. If they have smart mapping system, they can map customers even to multiple IP's so that everyone really needing to open specified port can actually do, because I'm sure they'll NAT to range of public IPs.
Re:Verizon DSL is moving to Carrier Grade NAT by trotsky on Monday April 08, 2013 @06:39PM (#5515146)
You misunderstand CGN deployments - there are still different address spaces on either side of the customer router. It's just now both of them are private/non routable prefixes, or in some cases the telco side is done using six. There's no briding and UPNP will never work - once you are on CGN data paths have to be set up from the customer side.