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Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by WestCoastJustin on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @11:05PM (#5453172)
BBC [1] says this was the SEA-ME-WE 4 cable. The cut (according to the SEA-ME-WE_4 wiki page [2]), lead to a degradation of internet speed by 60% in several countries including Pakistan and Egypt.

How large are these cables? Looks like about 2.7in [3], so it easily fits in the palm of your hand [4]. To get an idea of what this looks like, check out a photo of a similar deployment [5].

[1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21963100

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEA-ME-WE_4

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_communications_cable

[4] http://blog.zulyusof.com/?p=135

[5] http://news.priyo.com/tech/2011/08/06/bangladesh-experience-...

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by mkhattab on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @09:48PM (#5452998)
As an Egyptian, this is seriously bedan[1]. Though it's not surprising that some people would do something like this, the article doesn't provide much context/information. I could provide many personal anecdotes of people cutting telephone lines, throwing nails and spikes in the streets and doing other diabolical shit for no good reason.

-- [1]: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bedan

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by thekid314 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @04:49AM (#5453818)
bedan feshk gamd
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by 616c on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:40AM (#5454090)
OMG! I am not going to lie, but you two made my day. Egyptian profanity jokes on HN. Haha.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by ewams on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @11:05PM (#5453171)
Interesting that the Egyptian Army and Reuters are friends on Facebook. Though I suppose the Army must have a page on FB for recruitment purposes. Are they really using FB as an official information sharing portal about news like this?

Looks like a recruitment tool: https://www.facebook.com/Egyptian.Armed.Forces

Official page? http://www.mmc.gov.eg

(compare that to http://www.army.mil which looks like a news site)

Possible that because of the instability recently Eqyptian authorities think Facebook is more capable of serving web pages than their own sites? Why is an Army spokesperson talking about an event handled by the coast guard?

The ISP, Link Dot Net, does not have any English information about the event on their web page: http://www.link.net/English/Linkcorp/News+and+Events/

Apparently last week another Egyptian ISP had an issue as well: http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/67894/Egypt/Pol...

Nothing on their webpage: http://www.tedata.net/eg/en/About-Us/News-And-Events

Also discovered that a lot of Egyptian websites have not had any updates to their news pages since late 2012.

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by bdunbar on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @11:43PM (#5453255)
> Why is an Army spokesperson talking about an event handled by the coast guard?

You will have noticed that when a guy is filmed at the Pentagon handing out bad news, it's whatever PIO is up next, not an officer for that branch of the service.

Speculation: the Egyptian armed forces have the same sort of deal with the press. The Army guy was just the PIO on duty at the time.

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by michaelt on Thursday March 28, 2013 @08:52AM (#5454467)

  Possible that because of the instability recently Eqyptian 
  authorities think Facebook is more capable of serving web 
  pages than their own sites?
Nike, McDonalds and Coca-Cola have Facebook pages they often update. Hamas and the IDF even have twitter accounts.

Perhaps it's not that they think their website is unstable - but that they think communicating with the public through Facebook and Twitter is part of the future of public relations.

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by richardjordan on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @10:15PM (#5453069)
It's something I think we'll see more of in the future and speaks to the power of the masses having a direct connection to the outside world - that there are parties who recognize that to pursue their agenda they need to disrupt Internet access.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by gkanai on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @11:26PM (#5453219)
But who? The cables are Egypt Telecom- the monopoly carrier. So cutting it hurts everyone inside Egypt.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by InclinedPlane on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:07AM (#5454173)
No, it doesn't hurt everyone inside Egypt. I don't think you understand the extent to which Salafist thought has penetrated the Muslim world. It is by definition traditional and also by its very nature inward looking and isolationist. The idea of cutting off Egypt from the influence of the outside world is enormously appealing to such folks.

Indeed, this was the fundamental demand of al qaeda and Osama Bin Laden, for the west to halt contact with the Islamic world and stop influencing it.

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by j-g-faustus on Thursday March 28, 2013 @01:00AM (#5453396)
Several options:

- Ideological motive: Internet corrupts people, we must protect them from evil influence.

- Political motive: Disrupting infrastructure as an attack on the current rulers.

- Financial motive: Maybe they sell cable repair services or satellite-based internet access.

Or just plain vandalism, which doesn't need a discernable motive.

No way of telling without asking them, I guess.

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by mercurial on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:26AM (#5454218)
It could be gang-related - an Internet protection racket.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by bdunbar on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @11:44PM (#5453257)
Not everyone. Just people who need the internet.

There are people who don't actually _care_ all that much if their neighbors can read yahoo mail or not.

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by richardjordan on Thursday March 28, 2013 @12:02AM (#5453294)
The forces of ignorance and oppression always gain by reducing access to information.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by Shivetya on Thursday March 28, 2013 @05:41AM (#5453965)
Consider the activities we saw and still see in Syria. What government wants the easy exchange of information, namely pictures, when its suffering internal strife?

You could also with countries whose access is limited to one or two points threaten them economically.

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by duaneb on Thursday March 28, 2013 @01:58AM (#5453496)
Sometimes disruption is enough to achieve a goal, I would definitely not discount domestics.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by r0s on Thursday March 28, 2013 @05:00AM (#5453853)
Might be old media, or their masters.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by ucee054 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @08:41PM (#5458587)
Israelis
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by aubergene on Thursday March 28, 2013 @09:50AM (#5454715)
I read this 1996 article by Neal Stephenson about the construction of FLAG. It's really interesting and deals with how cables are laid and possible damage to them.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass_pr.html

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by daniel-levin on Thursday March 28, 2013 @03:27AM (#5453671)
Seacom is one of the primary cables that connects South Africa to the world. Since Friday 22nd March, we've experienced reduced speeds. What is interesting is the technical responses of the local (South African) ISPs to the disruption. Regular HTTP was severely throttled. FTP was disabled completely - it wasn't slow - it was literally switched off. When you tried to load a page, the browser / wget would report nothing for a few seconds, and then after a while would immediately start the download. To me, this suggests that requests were being queued before being sent through. Also, the same symptoms manifested themselves when looking at local websites - a broken undersea cable shouldn't affect that. It's just interesting from a technical standpoint how our ISPs did damage control.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by james2vegas on Thursday March 28, 2013 @04:24AM (#5453775)
Most South African ISPs do that already, you just noticed it less. They stick transparent caching proxies in front of HTTP[s]/FTP
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by ck2 on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @11:57PM (#5453281)
My first thought was CIA but we have subs that can splice optical cables on the sea floor so this would be amateur hour in comparison.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by ynniv on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @11:59PM (#5453284)
It's probably much easier to quietly splice a cable when someone else is caught severing it elsewhere.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by runjake on Thursday March 28, 2013 @12:56AM (#5453388)
This is more the NSA's territory and they avoid splicing if at all possible and instead shave the cable.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by willvarfar on Thursday March 28, 2013 @03:12AM (#5453651)
Necessary link: Operation Ivy Bells http://www.specialoperations.com/Operations/ivybells.html

Also, everyone read the book "Blind Man's Bluff"

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by ck2 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:54AM (#5454128)
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by davidw on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:10AM (#5454027)
The first thought that popped into my head was Dirk Pitt.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by nir on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:20AM (#5454049)
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by tsotha on Thursday March 28, 2013 @12:25AM (#5453339)
What would be the motive?
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by Someone on Thursday March 28, 2013 @03:14AM (#5453659)
Eavesdropping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy_Bells is An example. It is rumored they can do that on fiber, too (http://cryptome.org/nsa-fibertap.htm)

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by tsotha on Thursday March 28, 2013 @04:33AM (#5453789)
But that doesn't explain why they were cutting it.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by lmm on Thursday March 28, 2013 @10:31AM (#5454943)
I think the many-parent's idea is: cut it in one place in an obvious way, then while the cable is known to be cut, insert your splice in another place. That way no-one notices the few hours' disconnection while you put the splice in.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by dsr_ on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @09:54PM (#5453017)
How did they get the backhoe running down there?
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by bdunbar on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @11:45PM (#5453259)
They borrowed an amphibious backhoe from the Navy.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by josemariaruiz on Thursday March 28, 2013 @09:38AM (#5454660)
<conspiranoia> 1) People in Cyprus (and investment funds?) start using Bitcoin. 2) "Biggest" attack in Internet ever, latency increase. 3) ECB send trucks with cash to Cypruss 4) Guys are caught cutting cables that can affect trading (increase latency again). </conspiranoia>
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by kislayverma on Thursday March 28, 2013 @12:46AM (#5453371)
This is the most low-tech DDOS ever!
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by duaneb on Thursday March 28, 2013 @01:59AM (#5453501)
Wouldn't it just be a DOS since it's one cut?
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by kislayverma on Thursday March 28, 2013 @03:15AM (#5453660)
The first 'D' is for 'Drastic' :)
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by Validus on Thursday March 28, 2013 @08:37AM (#5454403)
No actually it's for 'Distributed'.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by frozenport on Thursday March 28, 2013 @02:18AM (#5453544)
Hoping to disrupt the telecommunication monopoly? Har har har...
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by orenmazor on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @10:13PM (#5453064)
what were they using to cut those wires? thats not a cat5 down there.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by tsotha on Thursday March 28, 2013 @12:29AM (#5453349)
WestCoastJustin says they're 2.7 inches. That's small enough you could probably use a large pair of bolt cutters.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by pyre on Wednesday March 27, 2013 @10:25PM (#5453094)
They thought there might be copper wires in there that they could sell for scrap. :P
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by chiph on Thursday March 28, 2013 @10:24AM (#5454892)
Other than sheer criminal mischief, this is the most likely explanation.

A coworker once saw some workers in the Philippines use a bulldozer to drag 500 meters of copper phone cable out of the ground so they could sell it on the black market.

Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by jlgreco on Thursday March 28, 2013 @12:20AM (#5453330)
H2/O2 torch probably. Or perhaps a "jaws of life" hydraulic scissors style setup. Probably not any sort of electrical blade, I imagine cavitation and/or the viscosity of water would become an issue there.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by pyvpx on Thursday March 28, 2013 @08:35AM (#5454396)
since the arab spring, cable plans for routes diverse and not reliant on an Egypt drop have gotten some serious momentum behind them.
Re:Egypt catches divers cutting Internet cable amid disruptions by neebz on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:08AM (#5454176)
and we thought the internet is slow in Pakistan because of the DDOS attack Cloudflare has been harping about.