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Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by brokentone on Saturday March 23, 2013 @03:37PM (#5429428)
This really sucks for me because it means I'll have to see experts-exchange results again.

Why is Google shutting every secondary project/feature down right now? Reader, labs, blocked sites, code search... Any engineers able to weigh in on how this is affecting innovation or the 80/20 policy?

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by jrockway on Saturday March 23, 2013 @09:15PM (#5430614)
I'm an engineer at Google.

20% time is alive and well, but you have to be careful when thinking that 20% time is going to magically result in fully-polished new products. How much code can you write in one day a week? How much legacy code can you maintain in one day a week? The fact that programming is hard puts an upper bound on what you can effectively accomplish in your 20% time.

Effective 20% projects, in my opinion, are projects that add something new to an existing product and whose maintenance costs are low enough to be absorbed by the project's primary contributors. I've been working on Android lint checks recently: it's something that's self-contained, can be done without interfering with my 80% project, and won't make extra work for the project's main maintainers. (It's also open source, so it can't be canceled. Hah!)

It's also worth pointing out that not all 20% projects at Google are going to be visible outside of Google. I spent my first couple quarters at Google working on maintaining the internal Emacs extensions and user-base; most of my time was spent answering questions on the mailing list. This isn't going to result in Google Maps or Gmail, but it is still needs to be done.

If you want to do something with more public impact, I think you should work towards making that idea your 80% project. Get buy-in from your peers, write a design doc or description of the product, and talk to people who work on similar projects. Once you have a team ready to work on the project, a good design, and clear criteria for success, it shouldn't be hard to become a "real" project.

(I've succeeded in doing this for an internal utility I wanted to write. I wrote a design doc, got some feedback from my peers, and asked my manager for a quarter to work on it, and did. Now it exists and has users!)

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by CyberDroiD on Sunday March 24, 2013 @10:27AM (#5432119)
Programming, maintenance, scaling, etc, is not hard.

If you think it is hard you are either doing it wrong, or it's the wrong job for your personality.

It can sometimes be a challenge, but that is the fun part, not the hard part.

However this explains why Google seems so abrasive... they think it's hard!

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by hahainternet on Monday March 25, 2013 @10:00AM (#5436973)
> Programming, maintenance, scaling, etc, is not hard. > If you think it is hard you are either doing it wrong, or it's the wrong job for your personality.

You're replying to jrockway. Perhaps you could curb your arrogance. Programming is indeed an extremely hard topic filled with compromises and tradeoffs that are often unattractive.

Picking the correct solution that fulfills time, effort, complexity constraints is why some people are paid so well.

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by deelowe on Saturday March 23, 2013 @03:45PM (#5429466)
Experts exchange stopped showing up in the results back when Google released the new indexing engine over a year ago. You should be fine.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by eknkc on Saturday March 23, 2013 @04:29PM (#5429648)
I still see it sometimes. Meanwhile, Quora is in the works to become next EE...
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by evilduck on Saturday March 23, 2013 @06:06PM (#5429967)
Already is. I noticed the Google Blocklist was broken explicitly because I was trying to remove Quora from my results. Quora is another example of a company/site imploding.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by polynomial on Saturday March 23, 2013 @08:52PM (#5430542)
I don't understand this comment. Quora doesn't show up in results bc they're not in the index, it's a private site. Unless that's changed?
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by calebegg on Saturday March 23, 2013 @09:13PM (#5430605)
They seem to be showing up for me. I don't have any recent organic examples, but here's query for one of the most popular threads, and the quora thread is the first result:

https://www.google.com/search?q=How+do+I+get+over+my+bad+hab...

What do you mean by "private site"?

The other objectionable/EE-like thing about it is how it hides the answers unless you log in. That really sucks.

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by pyre on Saturday March 23, 2013 @10:42PM (#5430850)
EE never hid their answers. They were only obfuscated. First[1] they made it look like the page ended, but you could scroll further and get the answers. Later, I saw that they had a section that looks like the answers, but all of the text was blurred. Again, if you scrolled past the 'end of the site' you could still get to the answers.

Looks like Quora gives you the question, and the first answer, but all other answers are Private-Only.

[1] I think that in the beginning they may have really hidden their answers, but were forced to actually show them by Google.

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by codezero on Sunday March 24, 2013 @01:08AM (#5431205)
If you add ?share=1 to the end of a Quora URL you can get the full content.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by eknkc on Sunday March 24, 2013 @12:17PM (#5432461)
They do show the first result even if you are not logged in (there is a dismissable modal popup that forces you to register though). Google indexes first result and that makes quora pages show up in relevant searches.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by maqr on Saturday March 23, 2013 @07:23PM (#5430258)
But somehow Quora still has first page results.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by brokentone on Saturday March 23, 2013 @03:51PM (#5429492)
Thanks for the update! I'm less concerned now.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by philwelch on Saturday March 23, 2013 @03:57PM (#5429516)
According to various sources, Larry Page had occasion to speak with Steve Jobs and ask his advice--in general terms--a few months before Jobs' death. Jobs originally wasn't inclined to give Page his time (he was still bitter about Android) but felt that, as he had reached out to an earlier generation of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs himself, he should pay it forward.

Jobs' advice was to focus on the most important products and prune the rest. It appears Google is now following this advice.

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by hackernewbie on Saturday March 23, 2013 @04:16PM (#5429601)
Works great for a company that risks generating a lot of noise to consumers (i.e. producing and marketing physical products). But for Google it's pervasiveness and breadth of services were part of the appeal, it's not like it's minor products interfered with the major parts of the company nor cost them much to maintain.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by ams6110 on Saturday March 23, 2013 @04:58PM (#5429742)
The niche services that have been killed were (by definition) used by small groups, groups which tend to be over-represented here and on other tech-oriented outlets. Even a service like Reader was something that only a small number of people used (compared to e.g. gMail).

One way to look at it is that these services are now validated (if small) market needs that smaller entrepreneurs can pursue. In the past, entrepreneurs lived in fear that Google would muscle in on their specialty; now it looks like they not only won't do that, but are in fact disengaging from things that do not have mass market appeal.

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by philwelch on Saturday March 23, 2013 @08:16PM (#5430440)
I agree that Jobs' advice was a mismatch for Google. Trying a million things and seeing what sticks, like an incubator, is a better idea for Google. The problem is when that turns into Microsoft-esque trend chasing. But that only happens when upper management focuses on trend chasing. Otherwise they just end up as passing experiments.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by jacques_chester on Sunday March 24, 2013 @01:00AM (#5431187)
I call it the Spaghetti Cannon Strategy.

Load up a cannon full of ideas, fire and see what sticks.

Microsoft were doing it before Google, but the financial-strategic dynamics of those businesses is very similar.

There's a fountain of cash and a series of spaghetti cannons around it blasting away furiously. Almost nothing sticks. But that's OK, because there's just so much money.

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by philwelch on Sunday March 24, 2013 @02:31AM (#5431346)
Microsoft also fell into the trend-chasing trap before Google. It's a very fine line, though. Excel was probably trend-chasing at its time, but they were doing so many things at once back then that going head-to-head with Lotus 1-2-3 wasn't a bad idea to throw in there. Whereas stuff like Windows Phone or Zune seemed like major strategic shifts dictated from the top, not just "oh let's make one of those too".
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by cwp on Sunday March 24, 2013 @03:28AM (#5431401)
The corollary of the spaghetti strategy is that if something doesn't stick, you kill it. Taking Jobs' advice is really just setting a higher bar for sticking.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by philwelch on Sunday March 24, 2013 @01:51PM (#5432824)
Google+ didn't stick. It's more about choosing your own priorities to focus on, and while Apple was great at that, Google made a shit decision with G+ and are sticking with it obstinately.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by IvyMike on Saturday March 23, 2013 @04:20PM (#5429619)
Oh god, I've completely forgotten about expertsexchange! The horror, the horror.

This product shutdown is a little surprising, because it makes Google's core product worse and less useful.

Maybe they're confident their current ranking algorithms get rid of all the crap content farm sites now, and as someone else mentioned, this appears to be the case. But I suspect they'll enjoy a resurgence someday. Ugh.

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by alwaysdoit on Saturday March 23, 2013 @04:29PM (#5429646)
Just imagine if you had gotten one from a non-expert.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by ollysb on Saturday March 23, 2013 @03:40PM (#5429443)
I think they were just crowdsourcing the pruning effort. I don't have experts exchange blocked and I haven't seen it appear in my results for months.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by brokentone on Saturday March 23, 2013 @03:52PM (#5429495)
Interesting theory, and genius if that's what they were doing with it. However, pulling it back off the market makes it look as though they failed at this.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by zem on Saturday March 23, 2013 @04:01PM (#5429535)
or that they succeeded well enough that they no longer need additional data. note from the description of the panda algorithm [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Panda] "Google Panda affects the ranking of an entire site or a specific section rather than just the individual pages on a site."
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by malandrew on Saturday March 23, 2013 @03:50PM (#5429484)
I just want to see w3schools stop showing up at the top of results before MDN, which is a much higher quality resource.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by eknkc on Saturday March 23, 2013 @04:32PM (#5429659)
You're right. I have an Alfred (http://www.alfredapp.com if using mac) shortcut to search google with "mdn" suffix.
Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by magicalist on Saturday March 23, 2013 @07:57PM (#5430389)
> This really sucks for me because it means I'll have to see experts-exchange results again

The blocked sites list hasn't worked for like a year now, so if you haven't been seeing experts exchange links, you aren't going to now, either.

I noticed when w3schools starting showing back up last spring or so, but I haven't seen experts exchange in results for a long time (or at least, I've seen them at a low enough volume that I can't recall any now). Now the only somewhat equivalent experience is quora results, as others have said.

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by andrewtbham on Saturday March 23, 2013 @04:03PM (#5429546)
larry page is trying to make the company more focussed (as per the advice of steve jobs). eric schmidt had a very different and unfocused philosophy.

besides google reader, most of the cuts have been good or just not important. I always felt like this feature was a reaction to blekko search engine, and not very interesting. curiously i found myself not wanting to block crappy sites like ehow just cuz they might have a good page and would rather just trust google.

Re: Blocked Sites is discontinued by just2n on Saturday March 23, 2013 @10:04PM (#5430756)
I can provide evidence that this is a horrible idea.

Try typing a phone number into google.

Go ahead, try it.

Google has improved in some regards. I recall having to look through 3-4 pages to find a decent result in some queries a few years ago. They're usually on the first or second page now, but there are still these worthless results that end up in the 1-3 spot. That's enough evidence for me that they need expert intervention, not algorithmic guessing.