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Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by cheapsteak on Friday March 22, 2013 @09:24AM (#5422713)
Apple is incredibly popular among Chinese international university students, but the first thing everyone does when they get a new Macbook is to install bootcamp and never boot into OSX again.

If even the brightest and more malleable of the people don't want to use anything except Windows, I don't see the average person switching to Ubuntu at all.

Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by w1ntermute on Friday March 22, 2013 @10:42AM (#5423186)
It has nothing to do with the Chinese international students being bright (which they generally are) or malleable (which they're not - they're just studying machines). It has to do with the fact that there are a ton of Chinese websites that only work in IE.
Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by cheapsteak on Friday March 22, 2013 @12:05PM (#5423798)
That is a good point, although I think it's more of Windows-only programs like PPS, a TV and movie streaming app that fills the Netflix void, except it's free so everyone and their mother uses it
Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by kyllo on Friday March 22, 2013 @01:19PM (#5424236)
Desktop programs are an issue, but they can be ported.

The biggest problem is all the websites that serve ActiveX plugins. Web apps are supposed to be platform-independent, that's one of their biggest advantages, but Microsoft sabotaged that with ActiveX. Microsoft did a tremendous amount of harm to internet users by producing so much platform-dependent web software.

Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by sukuriant on Friday March 22, 2013 @02:21PM (#5424639)
Did you really just say that it's easier to write a large number of windows-only programs than it is to either:

   a) fix the websites that have ActiveX dependencies
   b) modify a single web-browser to support ActiveX like IE6 used to
If true, ... wow.
Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by kyllo on Friday March 22, 2013 @04:05PM (#5425311)
What I meant was that the large number of currently Windows-only Chinese desktop applications will not be the biggest obstacle to Chinese users adobting Ubuntu, because they can be ported, and Canonical is working with the Chinese government to port the most popular ones ahead of time.

The number of Chinese websites out there with ActiveX dependencies is probably much greater, and you can't really "port" a website. Good luck getting all those Chinese web developers to fix their sites.

If Canonical bundled a web browser that supported ActiveX, that would temporarily resolve the problem (while enabling it to perpetuate), but I'm not sure if Microsoft's licenses even allow a non-IE browser to re-implement ActiveX.

So, I think that not being able to browse many Chinese websites on other platforms is the main thing that keeps Chinese users locked into IE/Windows right now.

Perhaps, though, my knowledge is outdated and ActiveX plugins aren't as ubiquitous in China as they used to be.

Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by w1ntermute on Saturday March 23, 2013 @09:29AM (#5428029)
I'm sure the Chinese government could force the most popular sites to replace ActiveX, but it'll be hard to get to the long tail.
Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by tomrod on Friday March 22, 2013 @02:50PM (#5424823)
Depends on the costs involved. Network externalities are a killer.
Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by solistice on Saturday March 23, 2013 @09:49PM (#5430712)
I think the "everyone and their mother" can be interpretet literally in this context, not just figuratively.
Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by w1ntermute on Friday March 22, 2013 @12:38PM (#5423988)
Yes, there is software as well. Forgot about that.
Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by stcredzero on Friday March 22, 2013 @03:04PM (#5424922)
> Apple is incredibly popular among Chinese international university students, but the first thing everyone does when they get a new Macbook is to install bootcamp and never boot into OSX again.

Is Chinese support in Windows dramatically better than in OS X? I found the level of stylus support in Windows to be head and shoulders higher in quality than Apple's. Perhaps it is the same with languages.

Re:Ubuntu tapped by China for national operating system by thomaslutz on Friday March 22, 2013 @09:48AM (#5422843)
Quotation needed.