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Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by mkr-hn on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @09:24AM (#5407051)
It probably wouldn't be a big deal in a more equitable society, but an innocent remark can easily be taken the wrong way when it comes after the chain of sexism women deal with in any given day.

Someone wrote an article (that I can't find) about how she felt bad about all those times she overreacted to an innocent remark, and how it was probably counterproductive. It's hard to filter the harmless dongle jokes from the sheer volume of real sexism that surrounds us.

Meeting her halfway with empathy and communication was the right thing to do.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by uchi on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @02:12PM (#5409064)
"an innocent remark can easily be taken the wrong way when it comes after the chain of sexism women deal with in any given day."

...what? How much effort do you put in to finding everything sexist?

This ladybug mounting another ladybug outside my window? Sexually oppressive. The female ladybug should be capable of choosing which position is preferable for her. This pencil in my hand? It's long. Hence a phallic object. Hence sexually intimidating. I am forced to involuntarily hold penises as I write on paper. This mouse under my palm is being raped as it has no matter of choice by which I guide it and its wheel (symbolic of the empowering clitoris, which I voluntarily scroll with) to accomplish my task. It has no say in when I click it or how I click it. Hence I am depriving it of free choice. Hence I am raping it.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by oh_sigh on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @03:06PM (#5409422)
You might like this Portlandia clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohk-Ey01c9k
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by mkr-hn on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @02:28PM (#5409177)
> ...what? How much effort do you put in to finding everything sexist?

Less effort than you put in to dragging out absurd strawpeople.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by uchi on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @03:08PM (#5409435)
>strawpeople.

Are even logical fallacies supposed to be politically correct now? That's hilarious. Googling strawpeople gets me a New Zealand band.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by mkr-hn on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @04:01PM (#5409806)
Language policing helps your argument a lot.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by uchi on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @06:08PM (#5410753)
In this case it actually does. There's absolutely no need to change strawman to strawpeople, other than the necessary implied injustice that you feel for the fact that the word contains 'man', and therefore must somehow be corrected to contain both sexes. It's a silly changing of nomenclature for no other purpose than to generate a feeling of self congratulatory accomplishment over a wrong that doesn't actually exist, much like the severity of the injustice that you feel is placed upon women in society every day.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by mkr-hn on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @07:23PM (#5411369)
I use it because I think it sounds better, not out of whatever you tried to get at in all those screedy words. But you go ahead with your attempt at mind reading.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by uchi on Thursday March 21, 2013 @12:01AM (#5412819)
Using it because it sounds better can sometimes run contrary with the word and its meaning. In this case being confused with a pretty bitchin' New Zealand band. But let's be honest here, with the sprinkling of select phrases in other posts, we both know exactly what you meant and why you used it.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by mkr-hn on Thursday March 21, 2013 @06:58AM (#5414189)
No.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by CRConrad on Friday March 22, 2013 @06:55AM (#5422216)
Exactly.

Only, it's changing the age-old term strawmen to "strawpeople" that is the language policing here.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by mkr-hn on Friday March 22, 2013 @02:48PM (#5424810)
I can't police my own language. I chose the word. I have that right.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by CRConrad on Friday March 22, 2013 @05:11PM (#5425806)
No, apparently you can't police your own language. But your act of "correcting" strawman to "strawperson" IS an act of "language policing" -- you're policing the language of the person who used "strawman".

And it was you yourself who said that language policing proves one wrong.

Sure, you do indeed have the right to prove yourself wrong.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by mkr-hn on Friday March 22, 2013 @06:25PM (#5426174)
What is this nonsense? Go away.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by bartl on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @04:24PM (#5409996)
These are not strawpeople. These are sex jokes.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by theorique on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @12:52PM (#5408466)
And her setting a chain of events in motion that got a professional fired for a harmless joke is permissible?
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by mkr-hn on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @02:29PM (#5409183)
Who said it was permissible? I said it was an overreaction, just like the boss firing him for it.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by theorique on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @04:37PM (#5410092)
OK, guess I misread your comment.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by username on Thursday March 21, 2013 @01:39PM (#5417202)
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by username on Thursday March 21, 2013 @01:40PM (#5417212)
karma
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by zallen on Thursday March 21, 2013 @07:11PM (#5419990)
The post you're trying to recall was this: http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/mar/21/lighten-up/

Women in tech often are exposed to a culture of subtle denigration. A single incident may not seem like a big deal (and, in fact, isn't), but when it's the eighth one that day...

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by cmbtyc on Friday March 22, 2013 @05:16PM (#5425834)
We supposedly live in a democracy.

what the employers should do is poll their company employees and customers and target audiences/industry and let the population decide both the guy that got fired and Adria's fate.

I bet that we'd find an overwhelming support for the guy RETAINING his job, and Adria REMAINING fired.

The problem with this case is one woman, with a huge social following and thus a LOUD COMMUNICATOR in the social media sense had a disproportionate affect on people around her. It's always those who yell loudest who seem to get disproportionate attention and time. The best punishment for someone like her is to be shunned and ignored, thus taking away her ability to abuse the power she wields.

As another father of 3 children I am EXTREMELY OFFENDED by her reaction and the impact it has had on the guy who happened to be unlucky enough to be sitting behind her.

His wife, and all 3 of his children, not to mention himself will be put through an incredible amount of stress to their marriage and family due to the loss of his job, and that is simply UNACCEPTABLE just because she couldn't keep out of their business and do what every other mature person would do, ignore them.