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Re:Free works by tolmasky on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @03:56PM (#5403195)

What does this have to do with anything? Google is a business like any other. Google is not dropping Reader because they are secretly closed and nefarious, they are dropping it because no one uses it (again, relatively speaking). If people actually used RSS then they'd feel compelled to keep it, whether priced or not, because it would be make business sense to keep it around. I guarantee you that if RSS had Facebook's user count, they'd be banging that RSS drum like crazy.

But it doesn't, and Google is not a charity. Whether you believe them to be "open" or not (meaningless statement), being "open" certainly does not commit you to supporting arbitrary protocols indefinitely for the good of the world, especially ones that most people don't use. RSS had its shot, it just can't compete in today's web.

And we'll see for just how long you can still buy the Mac Pro.

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Re:Free works by sergiosgc on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @08:43PM (#5404759)

You can stop your argument right at the start. Google Reader has more activity than Google Plus: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jwherrman/google-reader-still-sends-...

Every conclusion derived from here is then flawed.

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Re:Free works by tolmasky on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @04:45AM (#5406179)

Where is google+ mentioned in my argument? Its not. However, for sake of argument, if g+ proves to not get enough users eventually either, I'm sure they'll shut it down too and try something new. Just like they did with wave.

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Re:Free works by sergiosgc on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @05:24AM (#5406261)

It isn't in your argument, but is the elephant in the room. If low usage was really the cause for GReader sunset, G+ should have been chopped too. It wasn't, hence it isn't.

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Re:Free works by czzarr on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @04:26PM (#5403386)

I'd be curious to see meaningful engagement numbers of Reader and G+.

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Re:Free works by emgre on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @05:39PM (#5403788)

Anecdotally, most folks I know use Reader every day at both home and office, but "use" G+ only to the extent that it's plugged into other Google services.

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Re:Free works by mkr-hn on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @06:39PM (#5404100)

Anecdote: I post links to my blog entries to G+ in case Google gives it undue weight in search ranking. A few people click +1, and it's in the search results of the few thousand people who have my G+ account in a circle.

But that's it. Anyone I find interesting enough to follow ends up in Feedly.

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Re:Free works by youngerdryas on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @04:20PM (#5403352)

Look I like Google and I understand they have to run a business but I have a hard time believing that shuttering Reader has nothing to do with driving people to G+.

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Re:Free works by tolmasky on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @04:30PM (#5403413)

I guess you are not understanding my position. I neither like nor don't like Google, and I'm not "defending" their position from an altruistic standpoint. Maybe their plan is to help G+ through shutting down Reader, I don't know. My point is that if they did that, it wouldn't be a testament for or against their openness, because Reader merited being shut down either way, for the simple fact that it is a failed technology.

If you strongly want "open" to beat "closed social", then maybe RSS dying might be a step in a positive direction, since its had its shot, and proved to just not be useful for people. Now, I personally feel RSS neither hurts nor helps "closed social" in any way, so I think its inconsequential.

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Re:Free works by youngerdryas on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @05:06PM (#5403643)

Well you may have a point about RSS being a failed technology, at least for the masses, who seem to prefer bells and whistles.

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Re:Free works by Kylekramer on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @04:25PM (#5403382)

I am not following the logic you believe Google would use to think shuttering Reader would push people to Google+. How does pissing off people who use Reader push them to use another service by the company that just pissed them off? Especially when Google+ doesn't really do what the Reader did?

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Re:Free works by youngerdryas on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @04:38PM (#5403462)

http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/03/14/former-google-reader...

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Re:Free works by Kylekramer on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @04:50PM (#5403549)

Nothing into that link says anything about shutting down Reader to drive people to Google+.

It does have a former employee saying Google+ is more of a focus for Google than Reader, but that isn't remotely the same and everyone knew that for quite a while.

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Re:Free works by youngerdryas on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @05:07PM (#5403646)

From the article:

After all, before Google Reader’s sharing features were converted to corresponding Google+ ones, users of the soon-to-be-killed service used to share like crazy. Shih postulates, with plenty of logic, that this activity dropped as Google pushed Reader users to sharing on Google+ instead.

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Re:Free works by Kylekramer on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @05:30PM (#5403745)

That is in reference to the changing from internal sharing to Google+ sharing in October 2011, not shutting down Google Reader. I understand that Google prefers their users to use Google+ over Reader, but I still don't see how shutting down Reader = more Google+ users, even from Google's perspective. If anything, they are removing a service that could have driven Google+ sharing.

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