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Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by johngalt on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @02:40PM (#5402749)
Time for the bigotry test:

Lets reverse the genders. It's a woman making the sexualized comments to a friend, and a male attendee eavesdrops. Then he takes a picture her without her consent. Immediately posts said picture online. She loses her job.

What would the response be?

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by revelation on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @04:47PM (#5403528)
You would be kicked from any sane conference for the picture taking alone. Thats a big no-no without explicit permission.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by legitsource on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @03:29PM (#5403033)
I would be surprised if she lost her job over an incident in that hypothetical.

I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that the man would be in trouble for harassment or taking her picture.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by antihero on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @04:54PM (#5403570)
Reversing the genders doesn't really work because they come from an unequal footing in the first place. Of course, if you reversed all of history and they were female dominated events with a long history of intimidating an harassing males, perhaps the test would stand up.

That said, this woman's behaviour is a massive overreaction and exceptionally irresponsible, and has led to something horrible happening. If I were here I'd be doing everything I can to make it right.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by claudius on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @09:00AM (#5406918)
Not allowing to reverse the genders implies treating them differently. That’s sexist.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by johngalt on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @06:33PM (#5404074)
What other kind of behaviors would you find unacceptable for a man but not a woman? Do you consider yourself a sexist?
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by johngalt on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @03:57PM (#5403201)
My guess is this:

Male picture taker is excoriated for invading her privacy, and the posting the picture was 'intimidation'. She would have lost her job due to his 'abuse'.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by nnja on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @06:43PM (#5404121)
I made the same point last night... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398602

I doubt there would have been a response.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by johngalt on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @07:17PM (#5404323)
My question was posed more to highlight that we only see men as aggressors and women only as victims. If the situation was reversed there would be outrage at the man.

It's frustrating to see people justify that context though. I.E.'of course it's different coming from a man' Why? Do we really expect the most equal minded generation of men in history to take the blame for every other generation who wasn't?

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by jodrellblank on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @01:00AM (#5405741)
Do we really expect the most equal minded generation of men in history to take the blame for every other generation who wasn't?

What blame is there on a whole generation? These people attended PyCon, they broke the PyCon code of conduct which exists to make the conference a pleasant place for everyone, in doing so they made someone uncomfortable, they were called out on it, and the PyCon organizers asked them to leave.

Which bit of this is blaming every man for the actions of previous men? Which bit of this is unfair against men as a group? Which bit of this changes because other nonpresent men are more 'equal minded' than their parents?

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by Tyrannosaurs on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @05:37PM (#5403783)
No, you need to go back a bit.

First set up a society that massively favours women for a few millennia, seeing men primarily in terms of sex and procreation, THEN do your experiment, ensuring that there are still a good few people around who still see the world in that way and are happy to both express that view and use it to guide their actions.

Otherwise you're only doing the very, very end bit.

Seriously, you can't just flip the genders, there's a mass of context that ignores. The point is not that everyone is malicious and see the world this way, just that there are many people who do. That means that, while it's often not how the comments are intended by the person saying them, it's an entirely reasonable way to believe that they're intended.

Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by kanja on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @09:35PM (#5404982)
Such a bullshit argument. "no you see, it's ok to be a bigot because of the context!" Such crap - it really sickens me to see people arguing in favor of bigotry and hate because they feel they can get away with it.
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by makomk on Wednesday March 20, 2013 @07:38AM (#5406620)
Welcome to feminism. Unfortunately, the only group which is actually trying to solve sexism through ending gender-based treatment and stereotypes is (a faction of) the Men's Rights movement, and they're a cesspit. We're all fucked :-(
Re:Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out by johngalt on Tuesday March 19, 2013 @06:54PM (#5404174)
Does history allow women to be given 20% more latitude than a man? 50%? Is there any harassing behavior that would be unacceptable coming from a woman? How much worse would it have to be?