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Re:Why are payment forms so complicated? by paulsutter on Thursday March 07, 2013 @03:21PM (#5339941)
Isn't the first rule of fraud detection not to talk about rules you use to detect fraud? ;)
Re:Why are payment forms so complicated? by enjo on Thursday March 07, 2013 @07:06PM (#5341280)
A long time ago we decreased fraud by a significant amount simply by putting a little message on our payment form that we detected fraud. Stolen numbers and identities are really valuable to fraudsters, they tend to prey on merchants they think they can get it by.
Re:Why are payment forms so complicated? by solistice on Thursday March 07, 2013 @03:41PM (#5340072)
It is. If you spill the beans that you are checkin staying on site and browsing before buying, and it'll take a week till there's a tool for simulating that.
Re:Why are payment forms so complicated? by segmondy on Thursday March 07, 2013 @04:59PM (#5340608)
There is no security through obscurity only illusions of it.
Re:Why are payment forms so complicated? by wtracy on Thursday March 07, 2013 @09:25PM (#5341772)
Will people please stop saying that in this context?

Merchant-side fraud prevention schemes are not security. They are heuristics for reducing the number of bad transactions that the vendor has to handle.

Algorithms should be air-tight. Yes, the best way to ensure that they are is to make them public. Heuristics by definition are not airtight. The best way to get utility from them is to keep their nature hidden from parties trying to abuse the system.

Re:Why are payment forms so complicated? by dalore on Thursday March 07, 2013 @07:04PM (#5341273)
It's analysing behaviour for patterns. If you let out what patterns you're looking for then those patterns change.
Re:Why are payment forms so complicated? by sheri on Friday March 08, 2013 @03:37AM (#5342522)
Wouldn't the patterns change after the fraudsters realize they are not working?
Re:Why are payment forms so complicated? by solistice on Friday March 08, 2013 @07:26PM (#5346678)
I'm not saying something like that will hold forever. It might take 2 months to figure out that sites check for that, and 2 weeks (/days) to code it up. If you make the information on your heuristic public, those 2 months just drop out straight.
Re:Why are payment forms so complicated? by pfredrich on Thursday March 07, 2013 @04:15PM (#5340316)
It's a trap.