Re:New Java 0-Day Vulnerability Being Exploited in the Wild
by pifflesnort on Friday March 01, 2013 @11:09AM
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It has nothing to do with Oracle's response -- the Java sandbox is simply broken, and has been known to be broken for at least the last 5 years. There's no fixing it, the approach is fundamentally flawed and fundamental to Java.
This doesn't mean that Java for client-side applications is broken, as long as you don't rely on web based distribution and browser sandboxing.
Re:New Java 0-Day Vulnerability Being Exploited in the Wild
by BigBlueSaw on Friday March 01, 2013 @01:04PM
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Can you elaborate on "the approach is fundamentally flawed"?
Don't we rely on a similar sort of sandboxing for Javascript in the browser?
Re:New Java 0-Day Vulnerability Being Exploited in the Wild
by benmmurphy on Friday March 01, 2013 @03:22PM
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java sandbox has a massive surface area. conceivably any class in the jre could create a hole in the sandbox. modern browser sandboxes appear to be stronger because they rely on an unprivileged process which communicates with a broker interface. the broker code is much smaller than the jre code so it is easier to verify. however, there has been sandbox bypasses. the adobe sandbox bypass was a bug in the broker interface and it can be possible to use local kernel exploits to bypass the sandbox as well.
Re:New Java 0-Day Vulnerability Being Exploited in the Wild
by tjoff on Friday March 01, 2013 @11:18AM
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"This doesn't mean that Java for client-side applications is broken[...]"
I don't know. Java on the desktop requires administrator privileges to be able to notify me that an update is available. Also, it tries to install a virus in the form of "Ask toolbar" every frigging time.
Re:New Java 0-Day Vulnerability Being Exploited in the Wild
by sp332 on Friday March 01, 2013 @12:15PM
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Try installing using http://ninite.com, and use msconfig to make sure "Java Platform Auto Updater" is disabled from your startup.
Re:New Java 0-Day Vulnerability Being Exploited in the Wild
by martinced on Friday March 01, 2013 @02:26PM
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Oh you don't know my misery : (
I'm actually working on a desktop app used by hundreds of people (and installed by thousands) and my entire business model is being an ISV: trying to sell that Java app to people.
The less Java installed, the harder my life becomes ; (
It's incredible how far and fast client side Java has fallen because of Oracle's tepid response to security concerns. I've developed many internal apps for client-side Java and supported them for over a decade. I don't think I'll develop another.