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Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up by coldtea on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:07PM (#5280429)
>it's not just sexual harassment that's an issue

How does discern sexual harassment (between adults with no business ties between them) from flirting?

I ask because I've also seen flirting remakers being conceived as "harassement".

That "the place was not appropriate" or "it was uncalled for" is not a proper answer I think. There would be VERY FEW relationships and/or marriages if people never approached other people out of the blue and in non-appropriate places (in a conference for example).

Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up by steveklabnik on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:26PM (#5280613)
It's pretty simple: if you're not sure, don't do it.
Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up by coldtea on Monday February 25, 2013 @03:37PM (#5281610)
Really? That's quite a naive view.

Are people (men/women/gay) ever SURE about when to flirt with another person?

By this logic, half of the population would have never been born (which might have been a good thing, with respect to overpopulation and all, but that's a different argument).

Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up by steveklabnik on Monday February 25, 2013 @04:01PM (#5281770)
What you're saying is, "I am willing to possibly sexually assault someone in order to get a date."

You're a bad person.

Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up by coldtea on Tuesday February 26, 2013 @03:42AM (#5284632)
>What you're saying is, "I am willing to possibly sexually assault someone in order to get a date."

No. That's the strawman you made out of what I'm saying. Can you please respond to what I actually said and not put words in my mouth as you please?

What I'm saying is: some people can also consider completely casual flirting to be a "sexual assault". As in, when you're flirting you're never sure beforehand if the other part wants your flirt. And in many cases, it takes a little time to win them over (or fail). It's not like there's a standard protocol: "OK, you can flirt me now".

And yes, people DO fall in love in tech conferences, or meet possible partners, as they do in ANY other place, including offices and funerals. So they do have the right to approach someone else they like there.

>You're a bad person

And who are you to tell me that?

Apparently in your mind verbally assaulting someone you disagree with and telling them they are a "bad person" is perfectly OK?

That's your idea of making the world better by stoping sexism? Introducing hatr-ism?

Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up by flaviusb on Tuesday February 26, 2013 @07:55PM (#5289769)
Haha, no. You are conflating two things (tell vs ask - ie unrestricted flirting vs social SYN, SYN ACK, ACK). The former can be good, but has massive externalities when allowed at (for example) tech conferences, or any are where you want a 'safe space', whereas the latter is fairly safe, and is not what is usually under discussion. This is a classic coordination problem, which has been solved by game theory. You see, there are actually places that people go to in order to flirt, where that is the primary (or a specific secondary) purpose; singles bars, mixers, dance clubs - there can even be spaces for this kind of stuff inside of other spaces where it would be otherwise inappropriate, for example 'work mixers', or 'geek mixers' at tech conferences. Unrestricted flirting in those locations does not have serious negative externalities, and so is not harassment.

So, the solution is to seriously restrict flirting at tech conferences as a form of harassment, but allow SYN, SYN ACK, ACK exchanges, and have people who want to flirt go to singles bars or 'geek mixer' events.

Can you understand this?

Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up by nexxy on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:34PM (#5280681)
wow, you are clueless.

Approaching someone and engaging in conversation with them out of potential interest in who they are as a person is nowhere near the same thing as making offhanded remarks on their physical appearance without so much as an introduction.

get it together.

Re:Sexism In Tech: We’re Not Making It Up by coldtea on Monday February 25, 2013 @03:47PM (#5281680)
>wow, you are clueless.

By all means, enlighten me.

>Approaching someone and engaging in conversation with them out of potential interest in who they are as a person is nowhere near the same thing as making offhanded remarks on their physical appearance without so much as an introduction.

Sure, you need an introduction. I'm not talking about crash pickup lines or jerk behaviour. But if you like the other person, why would you say anything less in a tech conference that what you are OK to say in the park or the library or wherever?

Plus, this isn't 1950 Sunday school. People don't just like each other because of a "interest in who they are as a person". People can _also_ like each other on the physical level, and/or have one-night-stands and the like. And modern people don't find anything wrong with that.

>get it together.

May I suggest you avoid making offhanded remarks about me as a person such as the above?