Ask HN: Why is it so hard to make good friendships in the Bay Area?
Not sure if it's just me or others have observed/experienced the same.
Just like many, I want to expand my friend circle beyond the typical high-school/college and work folks.
Am I doing it wrong? I usually meet really good people at meetups etc., present myself well, but either they get super busy on weekdays or lazy/shy to follow-up. Basically, they just end up being flaky even after exchanging numbers etc.
Curious - how are you expanding your network? Sonar, Highlight, Circle or Grubwithus doesn't seem to be solving this..at least for me.
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All my friends in the Bay Area came from Burning Man, art projects, hacking projects, NoiseBridge and so on.
I don't find that friendships are forged from common interests or whatever draws people to Meetups. It has to be a thing you both find intrinsically valuable, ideally something of at least moderate difficulty that forces you to spend a long amount of time together. Could be hacking or could be fishing.
(FWIW it was Justin.TV pre twitch. Holla JTV/Twitchers!)
Technology - E-Mail/Texts/Facebook/Highlight does not build a new relationship. Technology only bridges the gap of communication.
If you think of your strongest relationships, they were built after lots of time spent with the person. In other words, bonding. And bonding takes time.
What's the longest amount of time you spend with a new person? An hour? Maybe ten minutes, multiples times a week? Try a weekend with someone, and bonding will naturally occur.
The reason good relationships are harder to develop is because we don't spend the necessary time to bond the newfound relationship. It's not one meetup or coffee, but it's doing it enough until that person is apart of your life.
If you want to make friends out of people who aren't your colleagues, you need to take actions to ensure your friendships aren't dependent on chance encounters anymore. If you meet someone you think is really interesting, you need to go out of your way and invite them to lunch/dinner/parties/events. This does blur the line between networking and friendships though. Then again, the strongest network is a network of friends.
I also wonder if there's a difference between SF and the Mountain View/Palo Alto/San Jose area. It seems to me like it would be easier to stay connected with people in SF, since you'll often bump into the same people at different parties/events - I know that this has certainly been true in my case whenever I go up to SF. Down south people are spread out and there's a lot less going on in terms of events.
Basically all my friendships come from some affiliation with an organization I have. I've got a bunch from work - actually, I have like 4 different friend groups from work, all centered around a team I've worked with. I've got a group from my college alumni network. And I've got a few isolated friends left over from the Harry Potter fandom that happen to live in the area.
The first one seems more easily tested -- for example, it can be disproved if other people are making friends under reasonably similar circumstances. It may turn out to be the case, however, that you're aging into life phase in which people are generally less inclined to buddy up. If this or some other issue is the case, you may need to change the conditions -- e.g. move somewhere else, seek young friends, etc.
If you begin to suspect it's the latter (people don't want to make friends with you specifically), then what you want to get is some honest feedback so you can evolve into an easier-to-befriend person. The good news is, a little self-awareness goes a long way.
Networking is totally different. I would not spend more than two minutes of someone else's time unless I knew that I could immediately provide some value to them by referring another contact or providing asked-for advice. I wouldn't recontact them unless I had a referral or information they would find valuable.
The problem I've noticed is the lack of re-engagement after initially meeting people face-to-face.
There are sites like letslunch but many 1) don't have the luxury to do >=1 hour lunch or 2) don't work in the city