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Re:Ten predictions (2004) by friendly_chap on Friday February 15, 2013 @06:22AM (#5225616)
> useful, but not that useful

+ 1

> Apple's profits

With all respect, I have hard time seeing Apple laptops outside the US. Not counting some fanboys who acquired the taste trough some snob blogs.

Re:Ten predictions (2004) by MrScruff on Friday February 15, 2013 @06:39AM (#5225666)
With all respect, I have hard time seeing Apple laptops outside the US.

Indeed. And where I am (also outside the US) I have a hard time seeing non-Apple laptops. Anecdotal evidence isn't really that useful when we're talking about global trends.

Not counting some fanboys who acquired the taste trough some snob blogs.

Making statements like this cause you come across as overly emotionally invested in your platform, and make others less likely to take your arguments seriously.

Re:Ten predictions (2004) by friendly_chap on Friday February 15, 2013 @06:55AM (#5225708)
> Emotional investemented

No. I happen to use anything. I am not against Apple, I am against the Apple fanboyism. And any type of fanboyism.

> Anecdotal evidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_system...

"For example, most desktop and laptop computers use Microsoft Windows"

Re:Ten predictions (2004) by MrScruff on Friday February 15, 2013 @07:35AM (#5225833)
No. I happen to use anything. I am not against Apple, I am against the Apple fanboyism. And any type of fanboyism.

'Fanboy' is a pejorative term used on the internet to try and infer irrationality in others. It's like hipster. It doesn't make you magically qualified to judge others opinions or motivations just by using it.

"For example, most desktop and laptop computers use Microsoft Windows"

That is not anecdotal, though it's also not the fact being discussed. Note that I'm not trying to argue that Apple sells more laptops combined than the other main manufacturers, I don't believe they do.

Re:Ten predictions (2004) by youngerdryas on Friday February 15, 2013 @08:35AM (#5226043)
He knows very well it is a pejorative term, that is why he used it.
Re:Ten predictions (2004) by tbassetto on Friday February 15, 2013 @07:10AM (#5225758)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_system... > "For example, most desktop and laptop computers use Microsoft Windows"

Apples and oranges (no pun intended). We were talking about unit sales, not market share.

Turns out that Apple's laptop sales do not exceed those of HP/Compaq, IBM, Dell and Gateway combined but Apple's iPad sales was already doing it one year ago: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9223707/iPad_sales_be... and from profit POV I bet it is the same.

Re:Ten predictions (2004) by seanmcdirmid on Friday February 15, 2013 @06:40AM (#5225668)
> With all respect, I have hard time seeing Apple laptops outside the US.

Maybe Africa? I live in China and I see a lot of them here; China is Apple's second largest market now.

The fanboy argument is funny to no end. I mean, I still can't find a freaking non-Apple laptop that isn't a huge piece of crap. Maybe the X1 will change my mind, but they are on hold right now due to faulty touch screens.

I'm scared to death that only Apple is willing to produce non-crappy laptops these days, that the other PC vendors have given up and are content putting out cheap crap (and expensive crap for the enterprise). Depressing.

Re:Ten predictions (2004) by kristiandupont on Friday February 15, 2013 @06:56AM (#5225713)
"Not counting some fanboys who acquired the taste trough some snob blogs."

Language like this seeds religious discussions. Please avoid it.

Re:Ten predictions (2004) by friendly_chap on Friday February 15, 2013 @07:10AM (#5225760)
You are right, point taken.
Re:Ten predictions (2004) by dagw on Friday February 15, 2013 @07:25AM (#5225806)
Half the programmers and web developers/designers I know here in Sweden have Apple laptops, (including several Windows devs). Peeking into random coffee shops and walking past university campuses also seem to indicate that they're quite popular overall. Of course all those people could simply be fanboys who acquired the taste trough some snob blogs, but I'm not sure how to tell.
Re:Ten predictions (2004) by jiggy2011 on Friday February 15, 2013 @07:41AM (#5225844)
People at universities and who work at the sort of jobs you can do from coffeeshops are probably significantly more affluent that average.
Re:Ten predictions (2004) by seanmcdirmid on Friday February 15, 2013 @07:50AM (#5225868)
Hence Apple's profit share is much better than its market share.
Re:Ten predictions (2004) by yalogin on Friday February 15, 2013 @07:17AM (#5225781)
That is an unusual extrapolation. So people outside the US buy Apple laptops because they are fanboys? I understand you have complaints/grievances against Apple but this is not r/technology.
Re:Ten predictions (2004) by coldtea on Saturday February 16, 2013 @03:15PM (#5232826)
>With all respect, I have hard time seeing Apple laptops outside the US. Not counting some fanboys who acquired the taste trough some snob blogs.

Well, I see tons of Apple laptops in places ranging from France, to poverty striken Greece to SE Asia.

If you live in some Eastern European country, Latin America or Africa you might see way less. Macs are for the richer part of the computing buying public.

Worldwide Apple commands around 4-5% of laptop shipments, but in places like US and Japan that can get to 15-20%, and for specific categories like ultraportables it can get to 60%.

Re:Ten predictions (2004) by abrahamsen on Friday February 15, 2013 @07:03AM (#5225739)
> With all respect, I have hard time seeing Apple laptops outside the US.

More than half of our students (agriculture/environment at University of Copenhagen) have Macs, the fraction being higher in the earlier classes.

Re:Ten predictions (2004) by jmspring on Friday February 15, 2013 @07:12AM (#5225763)
Recent trips (last 6-8 months) - Sydney, London, Germany/Continental Europe - I saw Macs all over. Were they the most numerous? Not really, but they were quite visible.