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Re:800 Giga Hash per second user just started mining at BTCG... by Osmium on Wednesday February 13, 2013 @11:18AM (#5213838)
Serious question: why would Avalon sell these things, rather than just mine Bitcoins themselves? at the very least, the cost of the device seems far too low at current Bitcoin conversation rates.
Re:800 Giga Hash per second user just started mining at BTCG... by shocks on Wednesday February 13, 2013 @11:25AM (#5213911)
The opportunity to make huge profits is closing (very fast). In fact, if you were to buy an ASIC miner now it wouldn't arrive until May and by then the bubble will have (mostly) popped.

The Avalon ASIC miners were pre-ordered which gave them enough cash to R&D and then produce them - but even if they had found cash somewhere else and made lots of miners for themselves it wouldn't be long until other people were selling ASIC miners and they were not so profitable. It's better for Avalon to make a name for themselves as a good place to get ASIC miners so they get all the business in the future.

I wouldn't be surprised if this user mining at 1.2 Thash/s is Avalon or one of the other ASIC manufacturers.

Re:800 Giga Hash per second user just started mining at BTCG... by SlipperySlope on Wednesday February 13, 2013 @11:33AM (#5213962)
Ha! I can see Avalon or Butterfly testing their boxes for a week or so before shipping each one.
Re:800 Giga Hash per second user just started mining at BTCG... by millerc on Wednesday February 13, 2013 @11:43AM (#5214035)
Besides the reasons discussed elsewhere, I see many reasons:

- The device in itself disrupts the mining hardware market. Should they mine by themselves, others would take notice and make their own ASIC hardware. They're in a much better place if they position themselves as the standard supplier for mining hardware, at least in the long run.

- I would see this ROI collapse as soon as this catches on. The market will be flooded with bitcoins, their individual value will diminish, and the bounty will likely decrease compounding the decrease. History says that the return will eventually (and soon) decrease to match the cost. Assuming the hardware is fairly priced (which it seems, given the current low volume), I would say the money value of those 122.83 bitcoins will come down to the same money value you would get out of $14k invested elsewhere.

- Whoever is operating the rig for user 67117, he's doing a hell of a marketing job for Avalon, just by being there. Is there any other offer in the world that can deliver on the promise "Give me $14k and you get $3k a day"? Sounds like a short-term proposition, but there's surely a good amount of money to make while it lasts.

Re:800 Giga Hash per second user just started mining at BTCG... by negrit on Wednesday February 13, 2013 @12:00PM (#5214163)
Note, it's not 14k but 'only' 1.4k
Re:800 Giga Hash per second user just started mining at BTCG... by JStrange on Wednesday February 13, 2013 @12:14PM (#5214256)
It's actually closer to $15k, assuming he needed 11 ASICs to reach 800GH/s.

They are about $1.4k/unit.

Re:800 Giga Hash per second user just started mining at BTCG... by wmf on Wednesday February 13, 2013 @11:23AM (#5213893)
Discussed extensively two weeks ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5142021

Summary: They probably didn't have the money to build anything, so they funded it using Kickstarter-like preorders.

Re:800 Giga Hash per second user just started mining at BTCG... by Tuna-Fish on Wednesday February 13, 2013 @11:47AM (#5214069)
Asic economics dictate that the cost of making the masks needed for prodution is hundreds of thousands. Once you have the masks, the cost of making chips is ~$10k per wafer. Depending on the size of their chips (I don't know), you can build high tens to hundreds of chips per wafer.

They gathered the money for masks by selling the first batch. Now they own the masks, and they can make more of them relatively cheaply. I suspect that they are building their very own mining pool as we speak.

Re:800 Giga Hash per second user just started mining at BTCG... by xhrpost on Wednesday February 13, 2013 @11:23AM (#5213892)