But in the case of (for instance) the Linksys NSLU2 (or various WRT and WAG models), the whole community around them was possible because the code was available and people could mess around with it. In this case it was to Linksys advantage to use GPL firmware, to the users advantage that more could be done with the device, and to the community's advantage because changes and improvements could be fed back to the general linux ecosystem.
Commercial vendors could always make use of LGPL if they distribute the software. Unless they are using languages like Go.
As for server side applications most vendors are just lechers. They use the code because they don't pay anything for it and most never return anything back, regardless of the license being used. This is my Fortune 500 experience.
> BSD freedom, on the other hand, is "lossy".
How so? I can still download the original BSD-licensed code without any loss.
> If I get BSD code I have a lot of freedom, but the next guy doesn't.
Why? In the worst case the next guy will just start from wherever I started.
> It's fairly well known that there is BSD code in Windows.
And be thankful for that - who knows what else could have crept in there.
> And obviously, whatever Microsoft did with that code, they have no obligation to release their changes.
And no obligation to release all the other unrelated code.
> Microsoft is still sitting on BSD code that is free for them, but it's no longer free for anyone else.
Apple too, but that's what the BSD license is for.